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"Suppressing Creative Thinking"

by: hekebolos

Mon Jul 03, 2006 at 12:05:18 PM PDT






Yesterday's New York Times edition has an interview with John Yoo--he of the famous "it depends on why the President would feel the need to do that" response to the question of whether the President has the right to crush the testicles of children.

This is some pretty amazing stuff.

"What the court is doing is attempting to suppress creative thinking," said Professor Yoo, who now teaches law at the University of California, Berkeley. "The court has just declared that it's going to be very intrusive in the war on terror. They're saying, 'We're going to treat this more like the way we supervise the criminal justice system.' "



hekebolos :: "Suppressing Creative Thinking"


This is great.  A movement that vales that its Supreme Court picks be based on conservatism and strict constructionism is unhappy with the Court's decision to "suppress creative thinking" when it comes to applying law.

But herein comes the major point.  The "creative thinking" in question has entirely to do with a methodology of arrogation of dictatorial power to the executive branch by claiming that no current system of law, whether military or civilian, applies to the Guantanamo detainees, while failing to provide or create any tertium quid--any system of law that creates guidelines concerning procedural methods of justice.

Now, I listened to the oral arguments in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld late Saturday night on C-SPAN because I'm a loser and didn't have anything else to do--and what I heard was fascinating.  The administration's Solicitor was arguing before the court that, yes, it was their belief that the Geneva Convention no longer applied, but also that contained within the AUMF passed by Congress was implicit authorization of changes to the procedures of military tribunals (and all other GWOT policies such as torture, though these weren't immediately relevant to the case and were not discussed).

The solicitor also argued something else that in my opinion is completely crucial: that implicit in the passage of the AUMF was an approval by Congress of suspension of the writ of Habeas Corpus, even if Congress wasn't aware that that's what they had done.  It was this, principally, that Stevens took to task, and I believe it was this that accounted for the bulk of the animosity in the majority opinion toward the administration.  The suspension of Habeas Corpus during a time of invasion or insurrection is one of the most important and weighty decision the Congress can make, Stevens said, and it was absurd to claim that Congress either didn't know they had implicitly agreed to it or were duped into doing so.

The administration was essentially trying to claim that it had the power to do exactly what it wanted, subject to no law, because it had tricked the Congress into abandoning the rule of law through the AUMF as subject to the broadest possible interpretation by John Yoo to include torture, indefinite detention and partial tribunals.

This is why the Supreme Court did what it did.  It essentially said, "if you think Congress gave you authorization for all of this, then prove it."  The Supreme Court ordered that any future powers had to be expressly delineated by Congress to avoid this sort of "creative thinking" in the future.

By expressing regret about this decision, John Yoo and the administration are essentially admitting that they intended to deceive Congress.

Yoo laments further:

"I worked on the authorization," he added. "We wrote it as broadly as possible. In past wars, the court used to let the president and Congress figure out how to wage the war. That's very different from what's happening today. The court said, 'If you want to do anything, you have to be very specific and precise about it.' "

God forbid that our legal system be specific and precise.  If we're required to have a precise legal system, the terrorists have already won.




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Yoo is crazy - and dangerous (9.75 / 4)
This is essentially fascist thinking, straight out of Carl Schmitt - that in times of crisis democracy should simply no longer operate, that such moments are best managed by a unitary executive that is not responsible to law or custom or established practice.

Yoo's statements are the clearest signs that Republicans seek to turn the US into a fascist dictatorship, abrogating our Constitution and our legal system with the "war on terror" as justification.

Congress would do well to repeal the AUMF, just as they repealed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution in 1970.


exactly (10.50 / 4)
because the administration has admitted in no uncertain terms that it was trying to trick Congress into granting it powers that Congress was unaware that it had granted.

Congres should feel indignant about this and repeal the AUMF in no uncertain terms, forcing the administration to come to Congress for specific, delineated, delimited powers.

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Oh absolutely (9.00 / 1)
Of course, Congress must also recognize and admit its own faults. Since 1950 it has increasingly surrendered its Constitutional duty to oversee war and to insist wars be fought democratically and with respect to the law and to due process. Congress' cowardly failure to do this has landed us all in this appalling situation.

It doesn't help either when collaborationists like Charles Schumer go on the Meet the Press and say Bush would have gotten anything he asked for if he simply went to Congress and asked. It comforts me to know that Schumer's role model is Neville Chamberlain and his ideal legislature is the rubber-stamp Supreme Soviet or the Nazi-era Reichstag.


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But those torturers need to go with the flow (10.50 / 2)

How dare the SCOTUS supress the natural artistic tendencies of torturers.  I mean, you gotta live in the moment, go with the flow, kinda a Jackson Pollack type thing, except inflicting pain instead of inflicting random streaks of color on canvas.

Say you're stapling some terrorists ear to his head.  He still doesn't talk, you were going to bring out the rat-cage mask, but he really doesn't like that staple-gun thing, so you threaten to staple his eyelids shut.  At this point he seems ready to crack, so you staple one, just to make your point, he tells you something about some weapons being smuggled through Tikrit- well, you know he's telling a lie, but you play along, and staple the other eye shut.

Now, you could stop, but he may eventually tell the truth, so you staple his tongue, his nose and eventually his testicles.  He's pretty much in agony, and you really should stop, but you're really FEELIN' IT, you know, the way Skynard would before a 20 minute version of Free Bird back in their heyday.  Do you get out the acetelyne torch... confident that no liberal activist judge is going to interfere with your creativity. 

Because you love your job, youre good at it, and you can't be bothered with treaties.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."-- Isaac Asimov


Yoo (9.00 / 1)
If a lawyer, Yoo should be disbarred.  He has not understanding of American law.  IANAL but even I can see that.

If a professor, he should have to go through the same crap that Ward Churchill is going through.

Contrary to the right, dealing with terrorism is and always was a criminal justice issue.  Anything else is extra-judicial activity and that has always and everywhere led to abuses of human rights.  And guess what, it seems that the criminal justice and diplomacy approach worked for Bill Clinton.

There is no other way to say it.  Yoo is un-American.

Want a third party -- 50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts -- Go get 'em


Yoo is a dyed in the wool full-on Fascist (0.00 / 0)
He is one of the legal architects of the Bush administration's torture policy, his basic view being there are no holds barred to a commander in chief conducting war.  Need more be said than he feasted intellectually at the famished table of Clarence Thomas?  As noted in the New Yorker:

"The Bush Administration’s redefinition of the standards of interrogation took place almost entirely out of public view. One of the first officials to offer hints of the shift in approach was Cofer Black, who was then in charge of counter-terrorism at the C.I.A. On September 26, 2002, he addressed the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, and stated that the arrest and detention of terrorists was “a very highly classified area.” He added, “All you need to know is that there was a ‘before 9/11’ and there was an ‘after 9/11.’ After 9/11, the gloves came off.”

Laying the foundation for this shift was a now famous set of internal legal memos—some were leaked, others were made public by groups such as the N.Y.U. Center for Law and National Security. Most of these documents were generated by a small, hawkish group of politically appointed lawyers in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel and in the office of Alberto Gonzales, the White House counsel. Chief among the authors was John C. Yoo, the deputy assistant attorney general at the time. (A Yale Law School graduate and a former clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas, Yoo now teaches law at Berkeley.) Taken together, the memos advised the President that he had almost unfettered latitude in his prosecution of the war on terror. For many years, Yoo was a member of the Federalist Society, a fellowship of conservative intellectuals who view international law with skepticism, and September 11th offered an opportunity for him and others in the Administration to put their political ideas into practice. A former lawyer in the State Department recalled the mood of the Administration: “The Twin Towers were still smoldering. The atmosphere was intense. The tone at the top was aggressive—and understandably so. The Commander-in-Chief had used the words ‘dead or alive’ and vowed to bring the terrorists to justice or bring justice to them. There was a fury.”

Soon after September 11th, Yoo and other Administration lawyers began advising President Bush that he did not have to comply with the Geneva Conventions in handling detainees in the war on terror. The lawyers classified these detainees not as civilians or prisoners of war—two categories of individuals protected by the Conventions—but as “illegal enemy combatants.” The rubric included not only Al Qaeda members and supporters but the entire Taliban, because, Yoo and other lawyers argued, the country was a “failed state.” Eric Lewis, an expert in international law who represents several Guantánamo detainees, said, “The Administration’s lawyers created a third category and cast them outside the law.”
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* OpEdNews

* War Times
* Washington Post * Washington Times

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* Brian William Tie Report Archives *

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* Department of Nance
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* DListed

* Egotastic

* Go Fug Yourself

* Goop
* The Grammar Vandal
* I Don't Like You In That Way

* In Case You Didn't Know

* The Leaky Cauldron

* Mancub

* Manolo's Shoe Blog

* Kate McKinnon

* The Modern Gal
* Mollygood

* Rotten Tomatoes

* Rusty's Ventures

* The Sartorialist

* A Socialite's Life


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* The Art Experience

* Auld Manhattoe

* Bane of Monotheism

* Burning Man
* Burning Violin

* Buy Blue

* Causes Rats in Laboratory Cancer

* Church Sign Generator

* Colbert Nation

* Comedy Central

* Creek Running North

* Current TV Blog

* Daily Kitten

* The Daily Show

* despair.com

*Disgrasian

* Downing Street Memos

* Dynamics of Cats

* Roger Ebert's Journal

* The Far Manor

* The Film Experience
* Flying Squid Studios

* Gallery of the Absurd

* Give Me My Remote

* Glossed Over

* Grendel's Kitchen

* Joe Hill Fiction

Hollywood, Interrupted

* Hooked on Drums

* Eddie Izzard

* Jazz Cooking

* Jack E. Jett

* Kate's Kitchen

* Kate's Studio - Kate Kretz

* Stephen King

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* Lobal Warming

* Lupus Support Group: MD Junction.com

*BILLMAHER

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* Taylor Marsh

* Maxi the Marvelous Make-Up Artist

* Moby

* Michael Moore

* My Net Biz

* My Own Private I Dunno

* Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

The Onion

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* Pink is the New Blog

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* Posthumous Democrazy

* Pretty on the Outside

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* Rod Online

* Rosie O'Donnell

* Safe Now

* Secular Sobriety

Silicon India

* The Simon

* Slowly Going Bald

* Soulforce

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* Television Without Pity

* Temple of Bush

* Theology & Geometry

* This Isn't Writing, It's Typing

* Unitarian Universalist

* Vermilion Brain

* Weber Blue

* White Trash Mom

* Wil Wheaton

* Zod for President 2008


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