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Pain-Capable Unborn Children

by: lorraine

Thu Nov 30, 2006 at 06:48:34 AM PST






Sometimes, as my dad always says, "you don't know whether to shit or go blind." (It's an English idiom.)

When I see what the members of the Right have done to the language in an effort to try to change reality, I know exactly what my father is talking about.

This week, in one of those grandstanding fuckwadded-up pieces of bullshit that they specialize in, right-wing Republicans will introduce House Resolution 6099, The Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act. Because, according to the bill's sponsor, fetuses of 20-weeks gestation are capable of feeling pain. The answer? Not to assume that it's a medical fact and require doctors to administer pain to these fetuses. No. The bill requires that doctors INFORM women about to undergo post-20 week abortions that their fetuses will feel pain.

See? That's the "awareness" part.

It's all part of the wicked baby-killer thou art woman bullshit.




lorraine :: Pain-Capable Unborn Children


According to Yahoo news,

The bill, by Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., defines a 20-week-old fetus as a "pain-capable unborn child" - a highly controversial threshold among scientists. It also directs the Health and Human Service Department to develop a brochure stating "that there is substantial evidence that the process of being killed in an abortion will cause the unborn child pain."

Abortion providers would be required to inform the mothers that evidence exists that the procedure would cause pain to the child and offer the mothers anesthesia for the baby. The mothers would accept or reject the anesthesia by signing a form. The bill allows for an exception for certified medical emergencies.

Seems kind of ironic that Mr. Smith is getting all verklempt about unviable fetuses, when shit like this is happening across the country:
Women in prison give birth while wearing shackles and without pain meds.


Shawanna Nelson, a prisoner at the McPherson Unit in Newport, Ark., had been in labor for more than 12 hours when she arrived at Newport Hospital on Sept. 20, 2003. Ms. Nelson, whose legs were shackled together and who had been given nothing stronger than Tylenol all day, begged, according to court papers, to have the shackles removed.

Or, perhaps a more obvious parallel: House Resolution 855


Commending the cooperation of important allies in counterterrorist operations, condemning the criticism of such cooperation by the European Parliament, and commending the counterterrorism efforts of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Whereas renditions are an anti-terror tool that the United States has used for years, consistent with its laws and treaty obligations;

Whereas the Central Intelligence Agency does not condone or tolerate torture , transport individuals to other countries for the purpose of torture , or knowingly receive intelligence obtained by torture ;

Whereas the counterterrorism efforts of the Central Intelligence Agency contribute to the security of the United States and Europe and reduce the likelihood of terrorist attacks;

We don't torture. Therefore, the pain felt in the torture cell? N'existe pas--you traitorous, pathetic, American-hating, terrorist-loving assholes.

And, of course, there's always circumcision: removing the foreskin of a male infant can be alleviated with a little wine-soaked rag, but a 20-week fetus, which is incapable of life outside the womb, suffers horribly--maybe--so doctors need to make sure that the ignorant sluts thinking about aborting the fetuses must be informed of that fact.

If it is true that a 20-week fetus feels pain, than yes, by all means, alleviate that pain and suffering. But this is so clearly not about that. This is about voicing objection to abortion.

Just for good measure, the bill reiterates, with pornographic, horror-film relish, the following:


(A) The dilation and evacuation (D and E) method of abortion is commonly performed in the second trimester of pregnancy. In a dilation and evacuation abortion, the unborn child's body parts are grasped with a long-toothed clamp. The fetal body parts are then torn from the body and pulled out of the vaginal canal. The remaining body parts are grasped and pulled out until only the head remains. The head is then grasped and crushed in order to remove it from the vaginal canal.

  (B) Partial-birth abortion is an abortion in which the abortion practitioner delivers an unborn child's body until only the head remains inside the womb, punctures the back of the child's skull with a sharp instrument, and sucks the child's brains out before completing the delivery of the dead infant, and as further defined in 18 U.S.C. 1531.

If you listen closely, you can hear the slap-slap-slap of someone beating off to the idea of such exquisite violence, all perpetuated because of the sin and depravity of woman, with her ever-devouring womb and her dangerous, but oh so tempting, vagina dentata.

In one of those bursts of irony that take the breath away, the bill further explains the following:


(7) There is a valid Federal Government interest in preventing or reducing the infliction of pain on sentient creatures. Examples of this are laws governing the use of laboratory animals and requiring pain -free methods of slaughtering livestock, which include, but are not limited to the following

So, animals are entitled to pain relief before being slaughtered. Fetuses, who are also being slaughtered according to the semantics here, should also be given the same treatment that we give animals.

Oh, but shit like this?
uswarkida

That's to be commended. Iraqi people don't feel pain. Why the fuck should their fetuses?

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shit or go blind tip jar (10.68 / 19)


"I have an existential map. It has "You are here" written all over it."

Steven Wright


Awesome post Lorraine (6.67 / 3)
and definately a cold splash of wake the-fuck-up to anyone that reads it.

"Con" is the opposite of "Pro", so Congress must be the opposite of Progress

Vandil (8.83 / 6)
The insanity of what the right is trying to do to language right now--whether it's the defintion of "civil war" to "pain," makes my head spin. And I find that the only way I can respond is vulgarly, as in skipping the refined Latin of our ancestors and going straight for the gutteral Anglo-Saxon.
This bill is so intellectually dishonest. It cares nothing for alleviating pain, and is all about inflicting guilt upon women trying to make difficult decisions.

"I have an existential map. It has "You are here" written all over it."

Steven Wright


[ Parent ]
Not gonna argue that in the least. (9.20 / 5)
The thing to remember is that with very few exceptions, the right tend to cater to the special interests that line their pockets.

In order to keep those "favors" coming in, their going to re-write, dictate, spin, moralize, lecture, cajole and threaten whoever they have to to get the results they want at the expense of all others.

It's selfish spiteful self-interest on the part of those still in power. Personally, I'd love to see one of those assholes in office have to deal with a decision similar to this and then see where their so-called moral superiority takes them.

"Con" is the opposite of "Pro", so Congress must be the opposite of Progress


[ Parent ]
Well, fair is fair - (9.75 / 4)
Certain ironies may need mention.  We once again see the Party which supposedly favors "small government" sticking the government's nose into a situation that should be strictly doctor/patient.

Now, it may be that the fetus is capable of feeling pain.  (How you can write that finding into law as an accomplished fact, yet have DOJ arguing to the Supreme Court that this global warming thing is pretty wild - but I digress).

Anyway, as noted - fair is fair.  If it is fair to insure by law that HHS provide this warning  to women contemplating a certain action, then it also seems fair to require the FCC to require Fox News to run a streamer across the screen reminding the viewer that the victims of collateral damage, and the soldiers, and the families of the war casualties on either side also feel/felt pain.

Like I say, fair is fair.


The problem may be that these fucktards (7.67 / 6)
are themselves incapable of "feeling pain"--their own or anyone else's.

They are absolutely void of compassion. Void of feeling. Flatliners. Tin heart-lers.

And she lived happily ever after in her Hobbithole in the Hood


[ Parent ]
It's pertinent, (10.80 / 5)

so I'm going to post a link to my essay (freakin' TERM paper, more like) about the D & X procedure:

ABORTION: Intact Dilation & Extraction

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


All hysteria from the Right. (9.57 / 7)
What the rightwing calls partial birth abortion was explained and described in great detail in the New York Times in the 1980s by a woman who needed one due to her baby being anacephalic (no brain ever developed). She pointed out that this is usually the reason this kind of abortion is performed and that they are done more rarely than just about any other type of abortion.  They are sometimes the only safe manner of abortion for some women upon the discovery of a problem late in the pregnancy. 

On the pain issue, in 1963 I was a college student (dental hygiene) and a professor in one class told us that, due to fear of the hazards of giving anesthesia to newborns and infants, surgeries on them were performed without any anesthesia.  He explained that it was thought they would not remember the pain.  He said what the doctors counted on, and what usually happened, is that the babies passed out from the pain at the beginning of surgery.  I am still horrified at the medical profession over this and similar unstudied notions they take to.  Though I do believe infants are given anesthesia now days. 

Sometimes I have seen doctors inflict pain they could have relieved but choose not to.  (For examples in your article the prisoner mothers delivering without pain relief.)  My own husband had a finger, its tip cut off by a saw, cauterized without anything because the doctor said to him just before the procedure, "You look like a big, strong guy . . ."  Zap.  My husband would truly have strangled that idiot doctor if restraints were not in place.



Vigilance is the price of freedom. That means us citizens, and not our professional military or its industrial complex bleeding us for every dollar they waste protecting corporate hegemony. That is part of what weakens citizens and puts us in danger.


silverbird (9.00 / 5)
You're very right. I've dealt with pain issues in the past, but when I was looking up the bill #s on the site, I found bills that would ban OxyContin because of the abuse factor. Never mind that OxyContin actually helps folks who are in real pain--the fact that Rush and a bunch of teenagers are taking it for kicks now means that it needs to be banned.

We have an incredibly fucked up attitude toward pain in this country. I've said it before. Pain is not noble. It just hurts.

"I have an existential map. It has "You are here" written all over it."

Steven Wright


[ Parent ]
As the famous song by the WHO goes: We won't get fooled (again) (6.00 / 3)
It sounds like something to totally overturn and outlaw legal abortions in this country, which could/would be downright dangerous for all kinds of reasons.

Ahhhh....Life goes on.

No, Bush said it best. (6.00 / 1)
"Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice -- um -- um -- won't get fooled again."

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Christ, lorraine (7.60 / 5)
Smoking.

That's all I have to say.

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Thanks, Weeps. (7.50 / 4)
I believe the phrase that comes to mind is "Jesus wept."
You know, if I believed that they actually gave a flying fuck about real pain and the people suffering it, I'd be more sympathetic to the bill. Then again, if such was the case, there wouldn't be a bill in the first place, because it's a medical issue. But this is clearly not about medicine or privacy; it's about twisting the knife so that any woman considering abortion will have more shit to get through before she can do what she needs to do.

"I have an existential map. It has "You are here" written all over it."

Steven Wright


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I know, I know! (7.00 / 2)
I remember that's how I used to feel about capital punishment.

I thought that if someone wanted to argue that capital punishment was a necssary evil because of A, B and C, and should be employed with a due sense of remorse and solemnity, well, ok, then, let's talk.

But it was the fact that people's arguments in so many cases amounted to nothing more than a (often not so) thinly veiled bloodlust that I found so reprehensible.

If only they genuinely gave a flying fuck about people, we could talk.

And btw, did I recently hear you say something about tanning your ashen skin somewhere? 

Winter getting you down, is it?

*snide smile*



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you making fun of my paleness? (9.00 / 2)
Dude. It's not the cold; it's the lack of sun, don't you know. Us Northern European types are especially prone to going batshit insane from lack of sunlight. Makes us run around enslaving darker-skinned folks and drinking gin-and-tonics without ice.

Yes. The vacuity of their language kills me. Language that has been emptied of its meaning, but then secretly given a new meaning as if thinking folks would not notice makes me crazy.

I have a migraine today, and I've taken some migraine medication, so i suspect that I'm slurring my letters...

"I have an existential map. It has "You are here" written all over it."

Steven Wright


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don worry bouth it, lorraine... (7.00 / 1)
ith'sokay.

Hope you feel betther.


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I had to wait (6.00 / 3)
until after the all clear to read this.  Not sure if it makes me want to vomit, scream or cry.  Yes, the answer to that is yes.

Again, a must read is THE REPUBLICAN WAR ON SCIENCE By Chris Mooney.

Seriously these fuckwads will twist non-science and cover up real science to meet their own nefarious agendas.  I am continually aghast.


Explanation for the picture? (5.00 / 1)
Sorry & don't mean to be obtuse, but I've never seen the photo at the bottom of the post and have no idea what it's supposed to mean in context of the topic.

You've been had. You've been took. You've been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok. - Malcolm X

that's what it looks like (6.00 / 2)
when you shoot a pregnant Iraqi woman in the abdomen. The hole in the back of the fetus is where the bullet went in.
I can't find the original source of the photo, but the caption, as I remember it, said that American soldiers had fired on a car at a checkpoint.

"I have an existential map. It has "You are here" written all over it."

Steven Wright


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Thanks, I think. (7.50 / 4)
That's hideous. Makes you wonder if the miserable bastards who started this war didn't wake up some morning and say, 'Hey, you know what, I just don't think there's enough suffering and horror in the world right now. Let's have a war.'

You've been had. You've been took. You've been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok. - Malcolm X

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Natasha (6.00 / 2)
I think it's the thing that makes me craziest at the moment: the same people who are so hot to protect human life are also hell-bent on prosecuting a "war on terror."
It's a cliche at this point, but the mind truly does boggle.

"I have an existential map. It has "You are here" written all over it."

Steven Wright


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Truer words never spoken. (0.00 / 0)
That is the impasse in an argument I have with some of my family.  If it is wrong to kill in an abortion, tell me what is so right about killing people in wars and especially with nuclear/radiological weapons which effects generations? I never got an answer.

Vigilance is the price of freedom. That means us citizens, and not our professional military or its industrial complex bleeding us for every dollar they waste protecting corporate hegemony. That is part of what weakens citizens and puts us in danger.

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Fuckingfatassratbastardheathenisticmonsters (6.00 / 1)
I think there's another point that needs to be made, this is also an attempt to make second trimester abortions illegal.  It's never, ever safe to take things at face value with these heathenistic monsters, it's exactly as you all have said, scaring women, but the agenda is always, always about restricting abortions even further, in this case second term abortions.

Fuckingfatassratbastards, one and all, they are. 


I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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there is nothing the slightest bit (7.00 / 2)
"heathenistic" about a one of them. Take it from a dyed in the wool heathen.

Hope you're well, cali!

Never miss a good chance to shut up.
~~T e x a s B i x B e n d e r, from "Don't Squat with Yer Spurs On"


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Of course you're right, fiver .... BUT (8.00 / 2)
I think of the lot of them as godless barbarians, nonetheless, they definitely are fuckingfatassratbastards, heathens or not. 

I'm peachy, with a little whipped cream on top, thanks for asking.  :) How are you?

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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whipped cream, eh? (7.00 / 1)
and on TOP, even! 's good to hear that, hon!  I was worried 'cause you had mentioned "health issues" over in Diane's "Rock" thread.....

the answer to your question (how are you?) would take waaay longer than any of us has at this point, so I will revert to the time-homored shorthand and say "fine". ppppftt! :P

Oh, and I cannot leave this comment, just yet, 'cause, ahem, really, "godless barbarians"?! Now just what is what is a poor godless, mother of a bastard, heathen to think?!
LOL!

But I agree with you on the fuckingfatassrat part...100%

heh

Never miss a good chance to shut up.
~~T e x a s B i x B e n d e r, from "Don't Squat with Yer Spurs On"


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Hey, most barbarians (0.00 / 0)
had whole sets of gods.

They just weren't ones the so-called "civilized" folk would recognize as being gods and not demons. ;-)

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


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