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You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way DKos Blows

by: Maryscott O'Connor

Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 12:46:40 PM PST



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I always get a chuckle out of it when I remember it, so it cheered me up immensely this morning to go over to Ted Kennedy's site and see that he still links to My Left Wing.

Tee hee. I wish I could get a screen shot of it, but I can't seem to scrunch it properly, so you'll just have to pop over and see for yourself. Have a look -- there's something terribly thrilling about seeing your home site on TEDDY KENNEDY'S BLOGROLL!!! Even if he does list everybody under the sun. (Ahem... not that there's anything WRONG with that...)

But I'll have you know, there WAS a time when I was one of only SIX sites listed there. And no, the day I saw that, there was NO talking to me. Preening Queen Maryscott, indeed... Not that I actually fancied he read us himself. Dude probably shuns everything but newsprint.

Still, considering his instant classic, fire and brimstone schooling, honest-to-god SMACKDOWN on the senate floor of the Republicans regarding their indefensible, immoral, grotesque "filibuster by amendment" of the minimum wage increase a couple weeks ago, being on the blogroll of one of my personal AND political heroes goes a long way toward making up for the big, orange shaped hole left in my back yesterday.

Um, in case anyone could POSSIBLY have missed it, that was snark. My feelings are not hurt. This is business. This is the business of professional bloggery, this is politics, this is courtesy and lack thereof. I am in new territory and approaching it from several angles.

No, I am not taking my bat and ball and going home with a GBCW diary, though the little snotty bitch in me oh-so-desperately wanted to do so yesterday. But this is bigger than that. This blogroll thing...



Maryscott O'Connor :: You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way DKos Blows



Yeah, I got me a little shock when I returned to blogging to find myself summarily dismissed from Markos's blogroll (and, not incidentally, instantly devalued on Google and every other search engine out there) -- ostensibly because he's streamlined the blogroll to include only electoral and state democratic blogs and "blogs he likes to read."

Leaving aside for the moment the total lack of an attempt at even the barest politeness --('Sorry, Maryscott, I don't read your site, never have, never will, don't know why I bothered blogrolling 'My Left Wing' in the first place') -- I'm just wondering if ANYONE has had a discussion with Markos or Atrios or any of the other Big Boys of Blogging about this pulling UP of the ladder, as it were, this CLOSING of the gate behind the big boys once they're in. I know I've tried to have said discussion and been blown off twice now, privately in email and semi-publicly in a larger email sense. So let's try an outright public forum.

Egalitarian this "Blogroll Amnesty" is not. I understand that we, the A-List, B-List, C-List and nonentities of the blogosphere have different values and mindsets and goals. Yet not even a year ago we spent 4 days in Vegas celebrating our diversity and unity. Markos publicly and loudly celebrated the growth of the blogosphere, said how much he welcomed the outgrowth of new blogs, et cetera.


Surely the bigger bloggers know how important being on their blogrolls has been and continues to be to the lesser lights in the blogging firmament? The success of My Left Wing has been in NO small measure due to having been linked to the Daily Kos blogroll. By being delinked from that blogroll, Markos has GUARANTEED me a loss of traffic by at least a third. That's not just an ego thing -- that's an actual advertising rate drop. An actual loss of actual income.
Markos doesn't owe me a thing, and I don't hold him responsible for my income or lack thereof, and I'll do just fine, thanks. But I know people who need that supplementary income a hell of a lot more than I do.

You know what? I'm so sick and fucking tired of hearing that "it's his blog if you don't like it leave it" line. Yeah. It's his blog. And my blog is my blog. I DID create my own blog. And I'm one of the lucky few - the VERY few -- who  had a ready-made audience for that blog, due again to having had a singularly popular platform from which to draw that audience.

(Though let us not give Scoop and Markos ALL the fucking credit -- I've watched scores of people start their own blogs after leaving here and they didn't succeed as I have. I did have SOMETHING to do with my own success, and anyone who wants to tell me I'm NOTHING without Markos can kiss my ass. There's a reason I built a big enough following to create a successful enough blog to even HAVE an income from it to complain about having curtailed, and that reason is me.)

And when push comes to shove, I do what I want. But I try very hard NOT to shove, because I didn't create the damned thing to have a fucking fiefdom -- I created it to have a microcosmic liberal community of sorts, and I'm not interested in telling anyone (or HEARING from anyone), "Don't like it? Go start your own blog. I'M the king of the castle here." What I AM interested in is creating a harmonious and successful venture -- in this case, an interactive community blog, whose creator and administrator listens to her membership/readership and tries to adapt to its needs and wants and desires and whims, insofar as those do not conflict with her own needs, wants, desires, whims, principles, whatthefuckever.

So, back to this bullshit Blogroll Amnesty thing, which seems designed solely to relieve the BBB of the burden of having to consider the lesser beings in the blogosphere for their blogrolls, and stick with the insular, circle jerk, no-room-at-the-Inn mentality that seems to have cropped up in direct proportion to the level of their increasing success (in the areas of finances and public relations, credibility in the "real worlds" of politics and media, of consultants and access)...

What happened to helping each other out? What happened to throwing the ladder back down? Seriously -- what does it COST the bigger bloggers to expand their blogrolls? Inches of space on an infinitely long page? Because it sure as hell costs the smaller bloggers to have been disappeared from those front page blogrolls.


In a brief email exchange with one of the more successful bloggers, wherein he expressed surprise at the outrage among those smaller bloggers, and outrage himself at the presumption that any of them would make anything like a DEMAND on the Great and Powerful Markos to do ANYTHING for them that he didn't want to do, I responded:


This blogroll thing took you by surprise because you're big enough not to need it. You probably don't benefit all that much from being on any one particular blogroll. The same cannot be said of most people. And as you say, you may doubt that it makes a difference for a tiny blog to be included on a voluminous blogroll if it's got hundreds of other sites on it -- but you're one hundred percent wrong. People stroll through blogrolls all. day. long.

And a blog with a readership of, say, 10 visits a day? Just, you know, accidental drop-in visits to a placeholder. Watch what happens to that tiny little blog if Markos Almighty Moulitsas of Daily Freaking Kos puts that tiny blog on his blogroll.

I can tell you, so you don't have to set up a shell site to do the research: that tiny blog's readership increases by five hundred percent in an hour and continues to increase exponentially until it settles comfortably -- and I'm talking an EMPTY SITE with NOTHING GOING ON -- at about 3oo hits a day.

Now, imagine there happens to be an excellent little blog, with three or four regular contributors (writing for the joy of it) in addition to the intrepid proprietor, passionately posting quality material on varied subjects of interest to a great many people? And Markos links to THAT little blog? Well that tiny little blog just might garner enough of a readership to warrant a blogads sponsor. And the proprietor of that blog might find herself making a little dough. Maybe enough to pay her light bill -- maybe more, maybe her kid's tuition, maybe even replace her bullshit beater car.

Now, imagine this hitherto working-poor blogger has settled comfortably and gratefully into this new existence, amazed at her great good fortune at having been so blessed as to have been blogrolled by a site with such a huge readership that its drivebys alone were enough to provide her with enough of a supplementary income from advertising on HER site to change her standard of living from working poor to... working poor with a ray of light.

And along comes AMNESTY DAY.

Oh joy. I'm sure she's THRILLED. Free at last.

Believe me or not, it's your choice, but I have personal experience here: inclusion on even a blogroll as massive as my own, with traffic even as limited as my own, dramatically affects a tiny blog with tiny readership levels. I've seen it, and ˆ hear about it every single day. my blogroll has to be one of the longest in frigging history, and some of the sites listed have NO traffic -- except the people who see it on my blogroll and click that link out of curiousity, wondering why I have it there. And lo, I get an email asking who the hell I am and why they're getting so many hits from some site called myleftwing.com.

It matters.

I lashed out in anger yesterday about this on my blog and in some comments elsewhere; my anger was, I think, justified. At first, though, it was on my own behalf. Now -- not so much. Ego-wise, sure -- I feel like I just got told by the stars of the blogosphere that I'm not good enough for inclusion in the club. I feel like I'm pressing my nose on the window outside the restaurant now and that pisses me off, too, bruises my enormous ego.

Just what DOES it take to earn enough credibility with these guys? What, we all have to like each other? For some reason, I thought this was about more than smoky backrooms and who knows whom and you scratch my back. Or is it the possession of a cock that really matters, here? Jane Hamsher and Christy Hardin Smith got a special dispensation for being extra fucking brilliant, but that's it, no more females need apply? No, that's probably not it, even though sometimes it feeeeels like that's it.

We have different focuses, to be sure -- but I seem to recall, Markos, for example, laughing me off his front page a year ago because I was cheerleading for Al Gore -- whom he has now just touted in the pages of Rolling Stone as "all but unstoppable in the primary should he choose to run." For over a year, Markos refused to include him in straw polls because -- and I'd find the direct quotes if had the fucking energy  -- he didn't consider him viable EVEN IF HE DID RUN. So what happened? I was prescient enough a year ago to be saying something Markos only recently started saying -- surely my worth as a political blogger isn't completely nonexistent, if I could see Gore coming a mile away when the Great and Powerful Markos was blinded by the Common Wisdom? Guess not... Certainly NOT worthwhile enough for Markos to keep on his blogroll, let alone bother to read.

Booman. Dropped. The Rude Pundit -- dropped. WTF? These are legitimate sites with longstanding audiences and membership. So... Wait a minute. Is this a question of being an EMBARRASSMENT with the more Establishment types with whom you now consort, having successfully crashed the gate?" Are we now your embarrassing cousins? Sure, you'll be happy to glad-hand with us at the YKos family reunion, but QUICK, hide the nutty aunts when there's company around?

This Amnesty bullshit and what it represents is much bigger than it looks. Markos and the Big Boys of Blogging are marching toward the Rubicon, if they haven't already reached or crossed it.

As it is, they hopped on the Irony Express to Slippery Slope Valley a looong time ago, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, pick up a copy of Crashing the Gate --

~~~ and by the way... Gate? There's only one way in?~~~

  and read just about any passage from "The Gravy Train" or "Civil War," two of the most powerfully accurate and scathing chapters in the Armstrong - Moulitsas tome.

So, what's it gonna be, boys? Values, principles, ethics, morals, ideas, solutions -- or WIN WIN WIN? Because when I RE-read Gate, I get the creepy-crawlies every fucking time you reference the Republicans's methods, strategies and results ADMIRINGLY.

It is not enough to win. It is NOT ENOUGH for me to win a seat in the House if the person we put there is NOT REALLY A DEMOCRAT.

You know the acronym: DINO -- Democrat In Name Only. (And of course, the Republican doppelganger, the Republican In Name Only -- but fuck them, let them figure that out themselves.)

So now we come to it: What do YOU think a Democrat is? How do you recognise a Democrat? There must be some rock solid values, definable features, no? You CAN'T just CALL yourself a Democrat irrespective of your political, social and moral beliefs,... CAN you?

Well, if you can't -- and let's just say, for argument's sake, that there IS a difference between a Democrat and a Republican and that they are readily distinguishable by at least, say, three policy stances, be they social, economic or both.

Okay, then, what ARE these distinguishing features of a Democrat, these beliefs or philosophies that set her apart from a Republican? Has anyone ever actually agreed on a single one? A... deal breaker, if you will? That's the phrase I've used in recent years, and one many also use. Let's agree on that to start, shall we?

What are the deal breaker stances that define a Democrat? Well, if the most recent mid-term election is anything by which to go, it most certainly is not reproductive freedom. An admitted anti-choice Democrat named Bob Casey won a Senate seat in Pennsylvania, thanks in no small part to the staunch support of the centrist "netroots" power base -- read: Markos Moulitsas & Friends -- not my definition, someone placed those laurels on that handsome pate long before I even knew there was such a thing as "netroots," and that it wasn't a plural term, which still bothers me, by the way...

Anyway, Casey isn't the only anti-choice Democrat out there -- more and more of them are popping up in the hallowed halls of the United States Congress, much to the dismay of many of us with ovaries -- especially in South Dakota. But we're here now, no use crying over spilt breast milk, right? Let's just cross reproductive freedom off that list and ready ourselves for that ludicrously redundant fight when it comes back, like corsets or foot binding or leaded face paint.

How about the economic front? Surely there must be some stark difference between a Democrat and a Republican when it comes to matters of economics, taxes, labour, wages... something? Well, don't tell Ben Nelson of Nebraska -- the man has voted with the Republicans virtually every time there's been a vote to be MADE, I can't imagine he veered left suddenly when it came to a vote to give the rich another fucking buck. And Ben ain't alone when it comes to that "votes with the scum every goddamned time" thing, either. There were some shockingly consistent traitors over the past few terms. And by "traitor" I mean "one who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust"...

A perfect example of a political traitor, who has betrayed a cause, a trust: Senator Joseph Lieberman. When he served as Senator of Connecticut and undercut his own Party at every turn, it was an iffy call; you could argue he was voting his conscience. But when he lost the Democratic primary, having been a member of the Democratic Party for the entirety of his career, and instead of accepting the results, chose to betray that Democratic Party by running against the winner of the primary as an Independent, Joseph Lieberman became a traitor.

What has this to do with Markos, the "blogroll amnesty" brouhaha and me?

Despite my huffy huff puffery about the blogroll brouhaha, cooler heads prevailed on me to stop and think before typing a single word in ANY post with the letters GBCW or GBCK in its title.

They were, of course, correct. Besides, for most intense and virtually all purposes, I've been committing slow suicide, sprinkling arsenic on my powdered sugar doughnuts every morning, just like The Grandmother taught us (obscure reference to tacky, salacious novel series to which I and every other 7th grade girl in my class were addicted -- but I SERIOUSLY digress, man...)

I will not be committing Dkosiside. At least, not with a GBCW or GBCK diary...

I am, however, here to voice my thoughts on this blogroll development, as well as a more egregious turn of events. Markos, who merrily scoffed away over a year ago (and continued to until very recently) at those of us who passionately believed that Al Gore would win the primaries and the Presidency if he campaigned and ran -- this self-same arrogant "Gate-Crasher" and Rahm Emanuel admirer can now be found quoted in Rolling Stone:


... and Markos Moulitsas, the founder of Daily Kos, is equally unabashed in his support of Gore...

-- excuse me while I choke on every dismissive post he ever made about Gore and every time he refused to include Gore in a straw poll --


"More than any Democrat over the last four years, Gore has actually delivered," says Moulitsas, one of the Internet's most influential organizers. "If Gore enters the race, it's his nomination for the taking.

And yeah, you bet your ASS that's my emphasis up there, because that's exactly what I said to MARKOS, each time I goaded him about including Gore in his 2008 straw polls. He refused, insisting that Gore was not a "real" candidate, because he had not declared. Of course, at the time, I believe the only actual DECLARED candidate for the Democratic primaries at THAT time was a 51 year old psychic part-time cashier at Wal-Mart in Biloxi, but no matter. When THAT discrepancy was pointed out, Markos demurred, saying that he didn't consider Gore a genuine candidate, referring to Gore's repeated denials. Like, say, the repeated denials of so many OTHER candidates over the past 2 centuries.

I cannot WAIT to see what happens if Hillary Clinton IS the nominee. Is this one-time DLC-loathing "gate-crasher" (ah, christ, that title, the whole fucking book, what a painful, cruel joke to read it now) going hitch his wagon to Hillary's tree stump and do the little "Gotta Work with the Candidate You've Got, Not the One You Wish You'd Got?" song and dance? Like he did with Casey? And the others too numerous to mention?

You know, the candidate you COULD have got, if you'd got your ass in gear when it really counted, when you were busy making back room deals for one failed centrist skeevy anti-choice DLC DINO after another in race after race, then turned your attention to the sure things in the Presidential race, the electable ones, the money guys and gal, the anointed ones, the Presidential versions of Gray fucking Davis?


Nonpartisan has called bullshit on those of us who have called bullshit on Markos's Blogroll Amnesty.

While I deeply respect Nonpartisan, and see his points and their validity in his realm of logic, I would like to take the opportunity to respond with my own points, just to a few of his.

MSOC blogrolls BHD because she wants to, not because she owes them any kind of loyalty.

No: I blogroll BHD precisely because I do owe them "a kind of loyalty." I don't actually WANT to blogroll them, you know; they hurt my feelings very badly, and, in fact, I would characterise it as having betrayed and capitalised on me for their own gain. But I blogroll them nonetheless, because I still owe them loyalty for the relationship we once had and what it once was.

I hope that's clear and doesn't sound too bizarre; sometimes my principles seem odd to some -- in fact, the founders of BHD seem to have divorced themselves from me precisely because they did not agree with some of my principles. Nevertheless...


Your stat about hit counts is misleading, I think.

MLW does, in fact, get about a third of its external visits from Daily Kos. At least, it did until Markos dropped it from his blogroll. In dropping MLW off his blogroll, he has effectively sliced MLW's traffic by a third -- and consequently MLW's traffic rates will affect its advertising rates, which directly affects my income.


MSOC's writings helped grow Kos' site? So did those of plenty of people who have been banned, most notably Madman in the Marketplace. The key is that dKos helped grow MSOC's blogosphere presence far more than her writing helped his site.

My writing helped grow Markos's site in a very different way than many others did and, I would submit, in an almost equal measure as he has helped me. Perhaps that's overstating the case... I say it because the degree to which Markos benefited from my participation at DKos is far greater than the degree to which My Left Wing has been aided by Markos's inclusion of one link to MLW on his blogroll. Certainly he has done NOTHING else by way of helping me to grow MLW; he has never once linked to MLW on his front page, for instance, when that would have been a huge boon to its traffic, as it always is to ANY of the sites he references. but Markos tends to stick to a select number of sites -- usually the members of his inner circle, the BBB, as I term them. The ones who don't need the help anyway...

But back to whether I am at all responsible for the success of Daily Kos and whether Markos owes me anything, even something so minor as a link on his blogroll...

I arrived just after he instituted the Scoop system, and it was not long after my arrival that I began "collecting" a "fan base," for lack of a better term. I was among the very first people to get 100+ comments. Then, when he added the Recommended Diaries list, I became an institution on it -- and the first to get 300+ comments, then 500+, and the then-jaw-dropping 1000+ comments, which shut down the site.

And I think if you were to ask Markos, and if he were to be honest about it, he would tell you he was QUITE aware, from the first, of the impact my presence on Daily Kos had on his traffic, his page views, ergo his advertising rates, ergo his income.

Most people may not remember it, but I certainly do, because it was ME doing it, writing those dairies that had that impact -- and I was in awe of it. I was also sort of afraid of the Cult of MSOC that sprung up; not the admirers, who merely rated my tip jars and praised my work, but the bizarre followers who tended to email me obsessively and troll rate anyone who dared criticise me at all, who slavishly composed odes of adoration -- yeah, that was a little fucking creepy.

I also recall the near-CONSTANT pleas and recommendations that I start my own blog. I saw no reason to; I wasn't in the blogging game for anything but the instantaneous response to my writing, the sheer visceral joy of having found a giant community of people who thought and felt as I did, politically and philosophically.

But the time came when I did decide to start my own blog; ironically, Markos's own actions drove me to it. Matters not now which actions, but had he been more answerable to his community, had he been more like, say... ME (heh) in terms of responsiveness to the desires of his membership when it came to features and aesthetics, I would probably still be there, blogging away for fun and for free.

But here we are. And in moving on to my own site and growing to believe in myself as an independent political thinker, increasingly I find myself at odds with the Big Boys of Blogging, who turn out not to be so "left-leaning" as they're described in the corporate media, after all. They are, in fact, just about as conservatively centrist as you can get. And Markos leads the pack, not only in name and profile, but in philosophy and action, as well.

Which makes his decision to strip his blogroll of all but the safest of editorial-free blogs a no-brainer, when you think about it... but unconscionable, nonetheless, given his constant claims of being "people-powered" and "netroots" and all that pseudo-populist drivel that never did make much fucking sense to begin with.


...the man is on his way to something truly great -- a true fusion of blogosphere activism with political leadership.

The innovation Markos can be credited with is political blogging. And that is truly a wondrous thing. But as for political activism and leadership? Sorry, no sale, man -- the day he threw Paul Hackett under the bus on Rahm Emanuel's bidding was the day I knew Markos was just another DLC in training. "Nice try, live to fight another day, we're going with the anointed one" -- what a bunch of fucking BULLSHIT.

And then came Casey and Duckworth and on and on and on -- one after another the truly PROGRESSIVE, LIBERAL candidates were shoved aside because the ESTABLISHMENT Democrats, in the form of Schumer and Emanuel and Clinton et al, put their imprimatur on the safe, solidly centrist-to-conservative candidates.

And even when the cabal agreed to dump Lieberman, their cowardice in failing to rein him in and forcing him to drop his outrageous switch to "Independent" status on the ballot, my GOD, these are the people from whom Markos takes his cues. This is not a political leader, he is a follower. And he is following the wrong fucking people, for the love of god, he is following the SAME PEOPLE who have been leading the Democratic Party further and further into the wilderness of spinelessness, of cowardice, of dishonesty, of obeisance to polls and bullies and liars and fools.

Turns out, I'm not too terribly conflicted about being unceremoniously removed from the blogroll at Daily Kos; I'll hurt from the lack of traffic translating to the lack of advertising rates/dollars... but hell, I'm already hurting from every politician's advertisement I reject on principle, too.

I'll live without the link from Daily Kos. Hell, that one goddamned blogroll link is the only acknowledgement the motherfucker has EVER given me or My Left Wing. You know that?

When I was profiled on the front page of the almighty motherfucking Washington Post? Not one fucking peep. Not a congratulations, not a critique. NOTHING. I think I knew where i stood with the Big Boys of Blogging that weekend.

So, I'll go from one-link obscurity in the eyes of the Big Boys of Blogging to no-link obscurity. At least I won't have to explain why I'm taking ads from fucking EXXON.


UPDATE

I have only read the first 70 comments at DKos...

But my only complaint so far is the usual one...

Many people do NOT read the entire thing. And IF they do, their reading comprehension leaves a LOT to be desired. I mean, seriously, a lot of them get the point completely reversed and then tear me to shreds for making a fucking point I did NOT fucking MAKE. This type I call Utter Idiots.

Then you have the standard Snakes in the Grass who always shows up when it's clear I've posted something that's controversial enough to make it safe for them to come in and hiss their vicious nastiness at me without fear of reprisal. They know full well the comments are coming too fast for any significant number of people to stop short and CALL them on their assholery, so they're free to act out all they want, safe in the knowledge that even if a few people DO stop to troll rate their indefensibly cruel comments, it won't be enough to do them any TU status damage...

As for Hunter's charge that this diary is total "Kos-bashing:" I haven't seen the comment, but he's free to think and say what he likes, of course.  I can't completely refute the charge; the post pulls no punches. I have been critical of Markos in the past, but I don't believe I've ever gone this far before, been this confrontational before. I disagree with the term "Kos-bashing," though. I have always had a strict NO Kos-bashing policy at MLW, and only withdrew it yesterday, because I was so goddamned disillusioned. I'll be reinstating it, I'm sure -- but not just yet.

I can't say for sure, but I am inclined to remain mostly nonresponsive over here. First, I have other shit to do, and would rather spend the time I DO have for blogging tonight at MLW, where I belong, and where I don't have to deal with ... well, hostility. Sure, I can take it, always could, always will -- but the fact is, I don't WANT to take it and I don't HAVE to take it. I just spent two weeks in a psych ward and yeah, I'm still a little fucking fragile, okay? Fucking sue me.

Besides, I told them in my very first comment (my thus far troll rating-free Tip Jar) that I preferred to have any conversation about this diary at My Left Wing, in any case.

(By the way... Diary? Post? Piece? Essay? Article? Missive? Composition? Column? Offering??? WHAT THE FUCK SHOULD WE CALL THESE THINGS? Okay, subject for another time. But let me go on record as saying that I am as confounded by this lack of an appropriate term as people have been for decades when fumbling for a title for the sexual life partner of a, say, a 51 year old gay woman.)

Aaaaanyway. Back to life. Have to go to the grovery store, pick up a few missing ingredients for dinner, come back and MAKE dinner, serve dinner, eat dinner, clean UP dinner, clean up one of the diners... Said diner, by the way, has picked a lousy fucking day to be a total little PILL. Had a litlle fuckin' tantrum over the Playstation ; he didn't approve of the technique (or,  to be, well, as honest as I can be about this 7 year old bullshit) with which his playdate pal was mangling their ongoing (on-going over MONTHS, understand) "Call of Duty 3" game..

I mean it, now. back to life.

Except for this one, VERY important  note: Remember up there, where I said Markos isn't a leader, he's a follower? Well, I haven't been back to DKos to read the comments, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts SOMEONE'S taken offense at that, on Markos's behalf. And I'd just like to take this opportunity to REMIND you all that when I say Markos is not a leader, I'm simply reiterating something Markos himself has declared vehemently, passionately and even sometimes plaintively.


"I am not a leader."



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Crossposting at DKos, (10.88 / 43)

But it'll take a while.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

worth the wait. (9.67 / 3)
and the fine-tuning perfect.  I think it stands as a single post better :)

Fucking awesome my dear one.



[ Parent ]
At The Risk (9.00 / 5)
of sounding like a creepy sychophant --

I'm with DianeW.  I don't got the political savy nor institutional history to have written something like this -- but you nailed this issue to the core IMHO.

I'm still pissed about the blogroll deletion -- but you're right -- what to expect from DailyFuckingCentrist.  Same as it ever was.  Crash the fucking Gates.  Quite a freaking revolution this was.


[ Parent ]
You? Creepy Sycophant? (7.00 / 2)
fine for today, but tomorrow I get my title back.  buwahahaha

[ Parent ]
Just a thought... (9.75 / 4)
Ya know, if a few of the better-read bloggers stopped cross-posting on dKos, Markos might need to read their blogs more often.

Maybe it's just because I'm a relative "outsider" on dKos that I notice this, but it's always the same relative handful of diarists who make the recommended list. You're one of them, but I'll forgive you. ;->

Not that I have anything against Kos. I really don't. Some of the organizing and things that he's responsible for is truly "good for the cause."

But I've noticed that there are certain attitudes on Kos that are tolerated, and others (not mine, this isn't a personal bitch) that aren't.

Diversity, baby.


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Oh, BTW (5.00 / 1)
I didn't cross post this at Kos.

[ Parent ]
I don't want to be misunderstood (8.50 / 4)
Let me mix my metaphors, anyway. I have no dog in this hunt, and I don't bet on cockfights. Or is that, I have no cock in this dogfight"? Whatever.

Point is, I have nothing to gain by choosing sides. Fact is, I can understand Kos's position on a lot of this. Whether any of us like it, or not, Kos is one of the, if not the biggest blog/message boards on the internets. He can't allow people to post copyrighted material on his website because he's legally liable. Make the adjustment.

I have a blog/message board that I set up for my own reasons, and I really don't want it linked on every damned blog on the internet. I sell no ads and I'm not sure my site could handle a large increase in traffic. I set it up for my own reasons, you're all welcome to visit, but it's just not a big deal to me so maybe I can't relate to "anger", if that's what it is (and I have my doubts) at the "delinking". I think, and something tells me MSOC will correct me if I'm wrong, that it's more the "kiss 'em and leave 'em" attitude that she experienced. Making a public announcement that lots of blogs would be culled, then just doing it, was short of a shitty way to do it. (If it had been my problem, I think I'd have placed a link to a "blogroll archive" page, as much as a courtesy to the community as to the individual blogs, and kept every damned blog I'd ever linked to on that page, but that's just me.)

Markos is human. He didn't write a loving ode to every blogger he delisted. Again, make the adjustment.

My comments were directed at something else. Not anger at Markos, at all. Like I said, I think he's done some good things for the "liberal/progressive" community, even if among the diverse opinions that exist in that community there are those who don't believe he meets the definition of "liberal/progressive", you have to admit that he's helped bring people together and helped raise money for *some* of the candidates *most* of us support.

That something else is that Kos has simply grown to big to be viable, any more. IMNHO, of course. See my comments about copyright infringement, above. When you're under a microscope, you have to be careful.

I don't know when it started. I used to enjoy Kos, and I really don't any more, but it's not because of Markos. It's because of the damned community, itself. It's inbred. It's "the attack of the clones." It's "do you know the secret handshake?"

Maybe it started when the congressmen started posting there. Maybe it was something else, but there was a realization that "the whole world is watching", and those who believe that it's best to suck up to whatever they interpret the world is thinking (and therefore don't have the faintest fucking clue what Overton's window is) have won.

(I'm not even going to go into the days long back and forth I had with a transexual who took offense to a *joke* I posted about how to dress like Ann Coulter...shove a sausage down the front of your pants...for Halloween.)

I said it well over a year ago, in a discussion with a wing-nut who tried to use "you read it on Kos" as a slur; "Kos is too centrist, for me." And it's the truth.

So here's what I'm saying, in a nutshell. Forgive me for the "free market" aspect of it, because I'm a big believer that "the free market" is secret RW code for "we've got ours, and we ain't gonna share any of it, we'll just cut prices until you go out of business", but it's still a valid approach to expressing your opinion on the internets.

If you honestly believe that your opinion is valuable, and you don't feel it either gets out or gets supported on Kos (a problem most of us who don't get 3,598 reccomendations within 10 minutes should be able to relate to), stop supporting the dKos site with your well-researched, well-thought out, detailed opinions. Find another site, maybe this one, and build your own damned community, and hope to Christ it doesn't get so big you have to start worrying about lawsuits.

MSOC, I love ya, I've read ya for a long time, and if I'm wrong in my interpretation please be gentle. ;->

I just think there's too much talent out there for one site to monopolize it. That won't stop me from reading dKos, or this site, once in a while. I read Huffpo, DU, rude pundit, the reverend mykeru, all sorts of blogs, even google freakin' news, and I've been known to lurk on (I'd get kicked off in minutes to hours) Free Republic, LGF, and some of the other RW-extremist sites.

Then I make up my own mind.

And for some reason, I no longer feel like that's allowed on some sites, if you catch my drift.


[ Parent ]
you are right timbuk3 (10.00 / 2)
but i've noticed that there are certain attitudes on kos that are tolerated, and others (not mine, this isn't a personal bitch) that aren't.

one of the reasons i stop posting there so much is not only attitudes that are not tolerated, but my own off-kilter sense of humor has been, in the past two years, invariably called on the carpet for not being "dkossackly correct."

my good dkos bud bob johnson recently lamented about how he missed my work at dkos.  well, there's no reason for me to post there anymore, except to get hits for my own site now. 

there's no actual discussion, and there's very little tolerance for diverse viewpoints.

i took the purge pretty hard too.  and i'm realizing that kos may be cutting off his nose to spite his face.

i find i can surf all around blotopia and yes, i coined that phrase, and get all the news and opinion i need w/o ever going to dkos and atrios.

even better than getting all the news i need, i find a veritable cornucopia of new blogs and new voices that are way more interesting than the kos koolaid and the "heh, indeedy/open thread" at the big blogs.

those two boys better hope nobody else discovers that!

jon stewart sez: "when i want news, i turn to cnn...and they turn...to skippy...the bush...kangaroo!"


[ Parent ]
Hmm!! (0.00 / 0)
"But I've noticed that there are certain attitudes on Kos that are tolerated, and others (not mine, this isn't a personal bitch) that aren't."

You should've been around when Kos was purging the blog of conspiracy theorists. Now that was something to behold.


[ Parent ]
Question for MSOC (9.00 / 2)

Hi Maryscott,

I just took a look at your extraodinary blogroll and noticed that you do not include Steven Clemons' blog, The Washington Note.

Yesterday, I published a diary on Daily Kos that was in part based on a recent entry by Clemons - I just crossposted it here on MLW. (My second diary posted here.)

The diary created quite a dust up yesterday - with many surprising and interesting comments - if you can navigate your way through the Bill Richardson stalwarts.

````
peace



[ Parent ]
"You do not include The Washington Note..." (8.83 / 6)

I do now.

: )

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
or Tom's Dispatch (11.00 / 1)
Not exactly a blog but he can write so well.

http://tomdispatch.c...

An editor in publishing for the last 25 years, Tom is the author of The End of Victory Culture, a history of American triumphalism in the Cold War era. He is at present consulting editor for Metropolitan Books, a fellow of the Nation Institute, and a teaching fellow at the journalism school of the University of California, Berkeley.


To thine own self be true. WS

[ Parent ]
personally, MSOC, I would LOVE to see you take (8.67 / 9)
advertising from Exxon.  How awesome would it be to know that evil fuckers were supporting you for blasting their evil asses and paying for your kid's college tuition at the same time?

I don't see the problem there.

As to Kos' decision about the blogroll--yes, I disagree.  What can it hurt him to do it?  Personally, I wouldn't include Booman Tribune there if I were him, due to the amount of anti-dKos invective that gets spewed there, but I don't see a problem with MLW.

But I think his decision has less to do with pulling up the ladder, and more to do with a shift on focus to the nitty-gritties of politics.  That's why clammyc, occams hatchet and I weren't picked for frontpagers.

For better or for worse, the era of the outraged, link-heavy op-ed writer at Kos is out of favor; the more specific-election-centered stuff is in favor.  I may disagree with the change, but I can understand why, and I'm not offended.

It's just the way the screw turns--and if Markos gets out of touch, then dKos will lose its prominence and someone else will take up the reins.  Sic transit gloria mundi.


[ Parent ]
its been a slow drift.. (10.00 / 4)
over the past year or so that focus has changed. It seems to me whats is being lost over there is the passion, the emotional aspects of politics. All i see there are cold hard numbers and stupid discussion of the little thing (IMO) than what the topic was about.  Its feeling like pre made speeches and prepared remarks.. rather than in depth empassion substance.

Like i seen in the thread over there.. once again attacking the messenger rather than looking at the message. Its seems one lesson they need to learn is that someone has a opinion for a reason and its very disrespectful to try to deny someone their opinion.


[ Parent ]
Exactly... (9.00 / 3)
Like i seen in the thread over there.. once again attacking the messenger rather than looking at the message. Its seems one lesson they need to learn is that someone has a opinion for a reason and its very disrespectful to try to deny someone their opinion.

My biggest shock today was reading the comments on OPOL's excellent diary. Not a bad one in the bunch (124). The only reason I can figure is that MaryScott got their ( the diary police's) panties all bunched up, and they can't get them loose.

If at first you don't suceed, go get stoned.

[ Parent ]
spoon (9.75 / 4)
sorry because this is blunt, but I think you are naive.

Do you really think that's how money works, people get paid and laugh to the bank as they work counter to the interests of people paying them?  That can happen once or twice, but it's not the way it goes with revenue STREAMS.

"follow the money" is a liberal and progressive truism behind which we have learned much. The laws of nature have not changed just because suddenly there is money on our side.

also, I think you are wrong about op-ed, it's just that the age of progressive idealistic op-ed is being killed, not dead, but being killed.

-pyrrho-


[ Parent ]
yeah but thereisnospoon (0.00 / 0)
personally, i wouldn't include booman tribune there if i were him, due to the amount of anti-dkos invective that gets spewed there, but i don't see a problem with mlw.

what about skippy?

jon stewart sez: "when i want news, i turn to cnn...and they turn...to skippy...the bush...kangaroo!"


[ Parent ]
I love your writing and the writing (9.00 / 1)
the other two diarists do, as well.

I have less tolerance for the nitty gritty of politics. I KNOW it is necessary, but I always prefer to read someone who will make me learn or think.

I hope you keep writing.


[ Parent ]
Here's a post from my "bad wolf" (8.90 / 10)

Okey-doke, having gotten that out of the way, I can have some dinner and then read and ponder your thoughtful diary.

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[ Parent ]
Is that photo copyrighted? (7.25 / 4)
If so, you're in a world of trouble, baby!

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

[ Parent ]
love the title n/t (9.00 / 2)


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[ Parent ]
ahh, Mary, Queen of us fucking irrascible Scots... (10.00 / 1)
fucking BRAVO, girl.  (lady, woman, whatever you want to be called)

I will, however, agree with the commenter over at that DKos megathread, which brought me here after not having dropped in for months.

You need an editor.

(hides heads from blows of outraged courteors)

I am so glad you spoke up on this matter, and have opened wide the can of worms.

But I'm way too fried here in meatspace from a tough day to actually give you the credit you desreve, so I'll close my mouth before I put my foot in it.

But, as the 164th comment here, do you even remeber me?


[ Parent ]
Hebes (0.00 / 0)
Good night, nurse.

[ Parent ]
Well, this may be a day late (10.50 / 2)
and a dollar short, as they say, but I want to express my thoughts on the blogroll controversy.

When I first caught an inkling of what had happened, I simply didn't care because it had nothing whatsoever to do with my own light participation on Daily Kos.  However, when I read MSOC's diary, yesterday, I was forced to confront my own feelings and thoughts on the matter.

The questions that I had before me were:

"Did Markos betray MSOC and other name bloggers whose links were cut?"

Or:

"Did Markos make a decision based primarily on what he felt was most effective toward contributing to future Democratic successes?" 

Or, was it both?

My initial selfish conclusion, which I started to put into writing as a comment in MSOC's diary, but then decided against doing so, was, "Either way, why should I care?"  After all, none of this would effect my personal participation with the dKos community.

Markos is not a leader and I am not a follower.  I don't come to dKos to read Markos, nor to read MSOC.  Although I read them both, my primary reasons for coming to dKos were to share, in an admittedly very limited way, in the left-liberal netroots community and to get alternative interpretations of political events. 

What's clear to me now, however, is that Markos' actions, despite his best possible intentions, demean that sense of community.  Since MSOC is one of the people responsible for the success of Daily Kos, I can only take the blogroll action as a betrayal. 

It makes me sad to say so but, for the moment, at least, I intend to back away from Daily Kos.  I cannot feel good about participating in a place wherein the proprietor would so cavalierly disrespect his most valuable contributors.

After all, if Markos has so little respect even for those, such as MSOC, that helped make dKos a success, what kind of respect can the rest of us, the other 115,000, expect? 

Very little, I afraid. 

So much for "community."

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[ Parent ]
Link to the DKos version... (9.50 / 4)

It'd be ironic to see this one on the Recommended Diaries List, certainly.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

But I thought that was the PLAN (9.00 / 2)
Being who you are, you know that you'll make the Rec List.  And that is much higher value real-estate than the BlogRoll.

You just have to keep doing it every day.

[evil laughter]

Anyway, I missed you and needed the reminder to come visit.

Notice that Kos finally came around to the Al Gore way of thinking...  it just took him awhile. :)

Happy little moron, lucky little man. I wish I was a moron, My God! Perhaps I am! - Spike Milligan


[ Parent ]
ummm... (7.00 / 3)
have any of your diaries not made the recommended diaries list?

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[ Parent ]
Recommended... (11.00 / 1)
With a bullet!

I'll always be here for you Maryscott.

"I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance." William Faulkner


[ Parent ]
all right (9.00 / 3)
I've crossposted The Irony of Being Orange over there too.

It's here:

http://www.dailykos....

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ok (6.67 / 3)
I followed your link & recommended

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peace



[ Parent ]
Why are people surprised? (9.00 / 12)
Why are people hurt?

Why are people angry?

This is MAINSTREAM MOULITSAS.

What happened to many of us is happening...on another level...to you.

"You are dismissed" says the King.

"You have served your purpose, and I am about higher things."

The Little King.

I repeat...choose your friends wisely.

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


Maryscott (9.00 / 2)
Your explanation of the BHD thing has pierced to the very depths of my being.  What a fuckin' recovery.  I'm in total awe. 

My will is easy to decide, for I have nothing to divide. My kin won't need to fuss and moan Moss don't cling to a rolling stone. -- Joe Hill,

What is the BHD thing? (6.00 / 3)


If I can't touch myself, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

[ Parent ]
suggestions (response crossposted from dKos) (9.00 / 3)
(BTW, good to see you again -- missed you)

1. Good idea to post at dKos -- you'll end up on the Rec List which is a much better place to be than on the blogroll

2. You need to put hyperlinks to MLW every couple of paragraphs or people will forget how to go there/ that they should go there.

3. re: Al Gore.  See, even Markos can learn.  It might take awhile, but it is possible.

4. I expect to see quite a number of your posts here (following suggestions #1 and #2) since it directly affects your income.  I can't wait

5. You know we love/hate you here.  Come back and visit anytime!

Happy little moron, lucky little man. I wish I was a moron, My God! Perhaps I am! - Spike Milligan


omfg (9.67 / 3)
a poster there reasoned that he did it because old blogrolls and links get stale.  and was serious.

Digital data doesn't have a shelf-life, and I just tasted an old blog-roll, it was quite yummy!

dumbshits.  LOL


Really, (7.75 / 4)
Blogrolls are like Twinkies that way.  ;)

"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he had read made him mad." --George Bernard Shaw

[ Parent ]
We've danced this jig before, dear heart. (10.50 / 6)
I remember telling you then that you were being slowly and inexorably pushed aside.  I'm sorry.  And I think you are right in your analysis.  This is pulling up the ladder and saying "no room for you!"  I won't belabor the point - but there's a leavening of sexism that undercuts the whole thing.  Why make a point of removing you from the blogroll?  It's a deliberate act; one designed to have consequences.  I'm sorry, my dear.  You don't deserve to be treated with such disrespect.

 

Deux ex Machina


sorry but no (7.33 / 3)
I would point out that Markos passed over the five MEN who were the top diarists on the site: Jerome a Paris, myself, bonddad, clammyc and occams hatchet.  Instead, he promoted BarbinMD and MissLaura--not leading lights by a longshot.

Markos is wrong on a lot of levels--but sexism it isn't.


[ Parent ]
I think part of it is... (9.00 / 5)
firebrands need not apply. It seems that in the move to become mainstream, one seems to feel the needto shed the emotional and the passionate one.. Those who speak off the cuff and do not always speak in polite tones. Thats what is the problem. Soon everyone will start to sound exactly the same. same tone, style, and presenation ( read : comformitiy). Personally i hate that crap. There is this force of that everyone has to comform into this preset ideal.

A lot of the old posters resent that..and now thier voices are getting silence so the "others" would accept them. Not a good way to go.


[ Parent ]
and if and when that happens (7.00 / 3)
people will go elsewhere to find a breath of fresh air.

[ Parent ]
Thereis, it's all about the messaging (7.67 / 3)
Markos needs a certain uniformity of opinion to be consistent on the messaging.  Can't have Thereis or Clammy writing dissents to his grand no impeachment treatise.

[ Parent ]
Well... (8.00 / 1)
I'm cool with BarbinMD.  MissLaura, though -- I truly don't know what he was thinking.  Oh, well.

[ Parent ]
my guess (11.00 / 4)
is that it's exactly what MSOC thinks it is: Kos doesn't want boat-rockers - the authentic voice of the Left can't show up on what is essentially a centrist website

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[ Parent ]
I don't think it is sexism (0.00 / 0)
Let me tell you why: I was shocked, (really, not kidding) to find out the other day that if you discuss any kind of conspiracy theory about 9/11, including the FACT that the EPA hid the results of the air tests from the firefighters/police/everyone down there, you will be instantly BANNED!! Banned!! I wrote that I was amazed by this, as 1/2 of New Yorkers believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and that is a LOT of people to ban.

So I think it is all about being mainstream, with not too much controversy or bad words. That's my 2 cents.


[ Parent ]
sexism *is* mainstream (10.67 / 3)
I think that's the point.

It's not overt sexism, but structural sexism.

The kind that comes from a failure to actually wrestle with ideas and grievances and problems.

If you don't actively work to defy and overturn the status quo, including patterns of behavior, value systems, etc., then even if you intellectually believe that women are equals, your behavior will belie that belief.

That's why change is so hard; it takes actual work.

It's not enough to wag your finger at Republicans, you also have to look into your own soul and be willing to listen to and assimilate criticism.

Without introspection, no change is possible.


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[ Parent ]
Sexism and the BBB (11.00 / 2)
I have to disagree, to not even entertain the fact that it could be sexism is naive, there has always been a sexist attitude on dailykos, and there always will be if Markos doesn't adopt a policy much like he put forth on conspiracy theories.

In truth, Markos perpetuates the sexism. 

The Garrison Keiller diary is a good place to start, that Markos didn't even get why Prairie Ho Companion is offensive is blatant sexism, he only saw it as a threat to his blog, that he MIGHT get sued someday.  It never entered his mind that the tshirt caused Keiller to take action against them is telling.

There have been diaries that have received hundreds of comments when women told their stories about being raped.  Many, many men questioned them, made statements that the statistics on rape are bogus, that rape doesn't happen nearly as much as the stats show.  They were rude, cruel and demeaning.  Markos never said a word.

The pie fight of course was sexist enough to see the exodus of many strong women's voices, they left and have never returned, Kos is history to them, the response from Markos, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

When it was reported that there are more women than men applying to colleges, being accepted by colleges, getting better grades than men, greater in numbers going on to Masters and PHD programs, there was a groundswell of angry men telling women affirmative action should be revisited, that it's utter nonsense to LET so many women get accepted into colleges.  That women are not smarter, that we don't deserve to take away jobs from white men.  That our place is in the home taking care of the hearth and the children.  The list was endless and filled with sexist remarks by men who are clearly sexist.

Those are but a few examples of the sexism that makes up DailyKos.  To not even entertain that the BBB is at its core sexist is naive.  If we don't look at it for what it is, we will never be able to change it.

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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[ Parent ]
The title of their book (8.38 / 8)
may have been "Crashing the Gates".  They just forgot to print the subtitle "...and locking them behind you."

Crashing the Gate (8.00 / 3)
After all the build up, I was truly shocked after I read the book by how little it expanded upon my knowledge of the political scene.  I guess I was expecting some signficant revelations beyond... Joseph Coors funds a lot of think tanks.

[ Parent ]
omg! (9.00 / 2)
that's exactly the title of my first (of about a zillion) post i wrote when i first found out kos dropped skippy!

crashing the gates...and closing them behind you

.

.

jon stewart sez: "when i want news, i turn to cnn...and they turn...to skippy...the bush...kangaroo!"


[ Parent ]
That didn't take long . . . (9.33 / 6)
It's already on the dKos recommended list.  ;)

I've got a slightly different perspective on this than most, I guess.  For one thing, I'm much more moderate than liberal; I've gravitated towards DKos, then MLW, due to overwhelming disgust and despair over the way Bush & Co have run the place into the ground.

The bottom line is that I feel comfortable here.  If I post something out of the liberal mainstream, I know I'll get a discussion, but I won't get replies suggesting that I'm missing a chromosome or two, or that I'm a testament to the dangers of hypoxia.

These days, Kos seems less interested in promoting healthy discussion, and more interested in forming the dKos Democratic Liberation Front.  And sorry, but I just don't feel like singing Onward Liberal Soldiers.

Anyway, MSOC, here's a <> from me.

"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he had read made him mad." --George Bernard Shaw


freaking HTML . . . (7.00 / 2)
That last line should read:

Anyway, MSOC, here's a ((BIG HUG)) from me.

"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he had read made him mad." --George Bernard Shaw


[ Parent ]
holy cow. (9.00 / 2)
Hunter just accused her of kos-bashing in the extreme.  Maryscott, who has fucking always not permitted that here.

**where my head explodes**

I guess I shoulda seen that coming.  Shitstorm indeed.  Ah well, off to the party store. 

Maryscott hang tough, don't let it get to you.

as always....


some of the responses have been (7.50 / 4)
shall we say, extreme.

I particularly liked the posts that suggested that Anna Nicole Smith's death was of infinitely more interest to them.

Classy.

"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he had read made him mad." --George Bernard Shaw


[ Parent ]
We should go back.. (8.25 / 4)
and ask him for links or quotes in the very least. Regular posters would be asked to back up such extreme accusations.

[ Parent ]
Hunter (6.00 / 2)
Of all the writers I've read over the years at the orange, Hunter and MSOC are in my opinion two of the top 5 easily IMO in terms of talent.

They may even be number 1 and number 2. Pure flat out no-holes barred talent-wise, is what I'm saying.

I'm not thrilled to see one of them this upset at the other. Hunter appears to be truly and firmly PO'd.

Sigh...that is all...sigh...


[ Parent ]
that's because hunter has completely (10.25 / 4)
drunk the koolaid. He may be a fantastic writer and a decent liberal, but he has swallowed the win-at-any-cost, artificially sweetened colored water.

MSOC is right when she asks if kos is ashamed of her (and likely others on the old blogroll). He could have accomplished what he claimed by adding a section for "Recent Blogs I Read" or something like that, and leaving the old list up would have hurt neither him, nor Dailykos.

I don't think that I believe kos has ever been a liberal. A Democrat, yes. A liberal, no. I base this on a couple of telling statements... the "feminist set" that started the pie wars, the labeling of impeachment diaries as "impeachment porn", and there was another recently that escapes me now but it was in the same vein... oh yeah, the way he talks about Kucinich. Now, I like and respect Kucinich even though I don't think he's electable as President. I like his politics and the fact that he is UNABASHEDLY liberal, which I think deserves a certain amount of respect. From what I see, kos thinks that truly liberal politicians deserve derision unless they are shoe-ins to be elected, and, likewise, I think he is dismissive and disparaging of liberal ideas that he thinks are outside the mainstream.

But you know what? We can't say kos has lied to us. (well, I can't, but  I can't vouch for anyone else.) Kos has always claimed that Dailykos is NOT a liberal blog, and that it IS a Democratic blog. Now that he has become a national player, we see what that means. It means that nothing changes but the names.

-8.88/-7.08... Go ahead, accuse me again of being a rightwing conservative.


[ Parent ]
Thank You (10.00 / 10)
I look forward to participating and reading more from your site. I am out of that DailyKOS thing. That party is OVER.

Classic you (10.50 / 6)
Great fuckin rant. I just don't get what the hell is going on over there, it's like the whole site is imploding. The discontent of so many of the older members over everything is growing huge.

BTW, I joined up just to leave this comment, but I'll be back much more often. I been lurkin forever, it's about time.

NeverInOurNames.com is all about human rights and stopping torture, please drop by


I don't know what the hell is going on there either. (7.00 / 4)
I have seen a bunch of GBCW diaries in the past few days. Seems to me that we are eating our own.

[ Parent ]
It's simple, Blue. (7.20 / 5)

People are now realizing that the so-called "left"...the "left" that won in the recent elections...is merely the left wing of the right wing.

And they are kicking up a storm about it.

GOOD on 'em.

It's about time that people woke up.

We are not "eating our own".

We are simply refusing to be eaten any more.

Dkos...the CNN/USA Today of the blog world.

Nothing more.

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


[ Parent ]
i call bullshit on that, Arthur (6.33 / 3)
Democrats should thank our lucky stars that we have people like Jim Webb on our side.  These last elections were tremendous triumphs.

Meanwhile, I'll be damned if you ruin this community like you and your pals did Booman Tribune.  Booman may have had a really lax attitude toward that kind of shit, but I'll be damned if you wreak the same havoc here.


[ Parent ]
OOOOoooo!!! (0.00 / 0)
thereisnospoon !!!

A"1" rating!!!

Gee...I don't get many of those here.

But thanks, anyway.

You brand yourself.

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


[ Parent ]
Her diary over there (9.25 / 4)
is turning bloody. The sad fact is there have been so many Meta diarys of late most of them are missing the whole point, or just don't want to hear it.

  I'm gonna hate having to learn who's who all over again, and making me known too. Trying to be neutral  yet honest over there is becoming more work than fun. Guess I may wander the wilderness for a while till I find a new home. NION is a good place but little traffic.
  I know I'll be trying this place on for size because MSOC has understood some of my more obscure diarys, and or points.

NeverInOurNames.com is all about human rights and stopping torture, please drop by


[ Parent ]
:) I think you'll recognize quite a few (9.00 / 2)
Just as I recognize you.

Welcome.

-8.88/-7.08... Go ahead, accuse me again of being a rightwing conservative.


[ Parent ]
17-8 (8.50 / 2)
That's the tally over in my kos diary of respondents answering "no" to the following affirmation:

"I am Maryscott O'Connor"

Nope, they say, I'm not.

Just about says it all, n'est-ce pas?

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weeps (9.00 / 2)
you didn't give them as many options as here.

I would never be bold enough to answer yes there.  I am way to humbled by her.  Besides no wouldn't have been fair either, I picked other there because on my very best day, for a second or two, I can maintain that kind of integrity.  On my worst days, I can maintain for a second or two, the inventive stream of swear words too, for a minute, LOL.

Thats why I did however, answer here "On my best day".



[ Parent ]
I answered no there... (9.00 / 4)
I couldn't carry Maryscott's lunchbucket.

No way I'm her.

"I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance." William Faulkner


[ Parent ]
Well ya just got another regular here... (9.73 / 11)
from THAT post!

Read the fiery Irish woman!!! WOO HOO!!

Of course, in that vein, the orange has always made me a bit... uncomfortable. :)

In all seriousness, since the elections, things have changed over there. Purity police in the comments, rabid pseudo "troll hunters", etc...

I spent the first month or so, trying to stomp out what usually ended up being a fucking forestfire, and since, dropped back in my participation. (family issues played a part in that as well, admittedly)

I don't have much in the way of an opinion on the blogroll issue. Kos' political stances and activites haven't really been much of a surprise to me either. But I DO know I've been looking for something different, these past few weeks.

In addition to TalkLeft, here I think I've actually found what I was looking for. It doesn't hurt at all, that a large # of my fav diarists cross-post here too. :)

Thanks MSOC. Sorry it took me so long!


Since Nov. 8th (9.00 / 3)
The site has taken a rapid and frightening turn for the worse. I have made many friends over there, and I assume an enemy or two, but I went from spending hours a day on the site enjoying reading, posting ,arguing, and bantering, to a complete and total lurker who spends about an hour a week at most.

I decided to jump in today and post a few comments on this diary and I went back to check in, and although I got a couple thumbs up, the responses to my comments were so, so, so, what's the word...Fucking juvenile that I just stopped reading them, and logged out. I would say 80% of the people that posted a comment on this diary at DKos it with the fucking scroll wheel blazing, picking out random sentence like a proton might latch onto a random particle.

I found MLW through the blogroll, actually a few years ago. I went through and clicked on every link when I first joined DKos, and it is very unfortunate that this site was dropped. And what is even more unfortunate is that the crowed that I highly regarded as very classy and intellectually inspiring people at Dkos treated the diary as a self absorbed ego centric post and totally dismissed the actual content of the piece.

What got me though were the numerous post from people who said, well if you don't like it go elsewhere! Kind of like how the Right likes to critize us Lefties when we say we don't like what's going on in Washington. "Oh yea, if you don't like it then get out!" would you call that attitude progressive on DKos? Hell that was so Nov, 6 2006.

"Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities." -Erica Jong


[ Parent ]
Another year and it'll be (9.00 / 2)
"Orange State" over there. The level of response has dropped in the last 6 months. Even the snark is thin gruel compared to the rich porridge of past years.

If at first you don't suceed, go get stoned.

[ Parent ]
not to mention that HTML is disabled for (7.00 / 1)
the great unwashed masses.
It's not easy being green
Purple haze!
Brown eyed girl
Am I bluuuuuuuue??
She wore a raspberry beret

If at first you don't suceed, go get stoned.

[ Parent ]
Orange State or Orange County? (7.00 / 1)
;)

[ Parent ]
Digging and a lot of reading later... (0.00 / 0)
and I'm pretty disappointed all around with the little civil war we got going on between here and Dkos.

I'm not leaving either site. It's all a big shame all around, and didn't need to happen.

Makes me even more sad than I've already been lately. :(


[ Parent ]
For Whatever It's Worth ... (9.89 / 9)
when you added me to MLW's blogroll it gave me currency to be added to other blogrolls such as Booman Tribune and Agonist. It contributed to my site's growth and ability to project my own voice. I thanked you for it in an email at the time and you responded in effect, that all of us, big and small bloggers alike are a part of this together. Sadly, a few such as Markos are only it it for themselves.

I lose money on blogging. Podcasts cost me money. Those Amazon and Google ads I have don't generate any revenue. Being a blogger and an activist is quite time consuming and prevents me from obtaining a more fulfilling and better paying job. But I'm driven to do it because I give a damn. Markos in effect has said people like me don't matter. I respect and appreciate the platform he's provided all of us. Too bad he can't appreciate the real value of what he created.

Intrepid Liberal Journal


Damn you Maryscott ! (9.50 / 4)
Damn you for making me have to come back and find your site on my loaded up screen, Oh there you are.
Damn you for making me have to re-enter my user name and password(did I mention I have to find it somewhere?).
And damn good rant, cause I do believe (even though you have depth and length)(fucking wordiness)you are vvvvvvvvvvvery accurate in your weather forecast.

I'm Back For Good (9.75 / 8)
It has been a year since I have written anything close to resembling a blog, and the last month I have restarted my own, and have been looking for a community forum to settle because DKOS has not been doing it for me for a while.

I thought Clitics might be good, but I realized that this is where I got a good discussion and mature reactions to the one post I did make a year ago, and  today comes this diary.

I agree with it more than I would have admitted before you wrote this, and so my decision is to drop MLW into my home page icon and read what is going on here as my first shot of information each time I open Firefox.

Anyway, thanks for the forum, and I'll stick around this time for sure.

My Blog: Black and Blue


Never fear, maryscott! (10.33 / 3)
you're still near the top of "Channeling Durrati's" blogroll....

[http://channelingdur... ]

now if somebody would just read the sumbitch...

:)





"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG


durrati.. (5.50 / 2)
my dear, a suggestion...you should post it in your sig as a link so more would know.  I would check it out more often :) 

[ Parent ]
I haven't been posting there for a while, Diane, (9.00 / 1)
I like the interaction here, though I suppose I could cross post, if maryscott wouldn't mind....

I attracted a small audience for a while, but am happy with what I did there and now prefer to talk with more folks....






"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG


[ Parent ]
Durrati has a blog! (10.00 / 3)
Hmmph!  The things you find out, sometimes.  :)

Oh... and don't you worry... I'll be reading it.


[ Parent ]
thanks rustydude, (8.00 / 1)
hope you enjoy poking about....:)

It's kinda in hibernation now, haven't even cleaned up the spam (gotta stop those anom comments) but there's lotsa goodies in the archives.....

comment on any you like but use yer moniker... that way when I see the notice in my e-mail I'll know it's not some jerk hawking viagra...

:)






"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG


[ Parent ]
George Allen (6.00 / 1)
IS a shithead!!!
;)

-8.88/-7.08... Go ahead, accuse me again of being a rightwing conservative.

[ Parent ]
a few things (9.14 / 7)
First off, Hackett was the more moderate candidate in the Brown vs Hackett race. Brown has a long history of being a very liberal rep in congress and Hackett was the more moderate guy on most issues.

2nd, why do you love Gore so much? I worked for the guy in 2000 and he isn't all that liberal, I raised a little under a hundred grand for the guy and I knew what I was getting, a middle of the road free trader whose wife liked to label my music, but he was better then Bush(thank you Molly Ivins for setting me straight on Dubya, RIP).

3rd, Markos is an Eisenhower Republican, and always has been, he is a guy who was raised in a country where the leftists carried guns and killed people, he was a Reaganite, the guy is a moderate and we have known this for awhile now. I don't know why this surprises you. Markos has joined on to a new group that wants to hold Democrats accountable for their actions, and I am waiting to see what the new group finds offensive before I pass judgment, so far the war seems to be the number one issue.

Also, the book Crashing the Gate is just sad, it offers nothing in the way of a core philosophy and they may admire the Republican movement, but the authors of Crashing the Gate fail to realize that the Republican dominance is just an offshoot of the well funded conservative movement that started in 50's with Buckley and was funded and put into action in the 70's with development of the Heritage Foundation, and the other right wing nut think tanks.

MSOC, if you really want to do something positive and dig at Markos at the same time we should organize a movement based on ideas, not on having a D by our name, we should be the what Dailykos refuses to be, a liberal clearing house of ideas and people willing to harass the elected Democrats into being liberal, liberal on economic issues, liberal on social issues, they need to be liberal, but we cannot stop there, we need to organize ourselves and look for ways to sell liberal ideas to the people the same way the right wing has sold their ideas. We need to be strong organized liberals who want to influence public opinion, and make sure elected Democrats aren't afraid to be liberal.

It would be nice one day to not hear the words he or she is too liberal to run for President.

The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them.


Hackett, Gore & leftist gunmen (10.67 / 3)
Hackett and Gore stand out because for the most part they don't sell out their principles.  Gore has grown immensely over time.  I believe principles and growth are probably two of the reasons that Maryscott brings up their names.

As for Markos being "raised" in a country with gun carrying leftists, that might be a bit of an overstatement.  From what I've read on DKos, he lived only part of his youth in El Salvador, the rest in Chicago.  Dates, geography, and experiences of his in El Salvador would be handy to know.  I would be eternally grateful for any link(s) to Markos' personal story beyond the boilerplate Bio he has up on DailyKos.  My curiosity is based upon 3 visits there, since the War, and I have managed to meet many people from very rich San Salvadoran philanthropists, to middle class businessmen of medium sized cities, to former leftist gunmen who live in small mountain towns.


[ Parent ]
huh? (0.00 / 0)
Hackett had one strong stance, the war in Iraq, other then that he was a blank slate, so calling him principled is a shallow statement. As for Gore, he has been a consistent fighter for the environment, but on other issues he has been all over the place and while he was the VP he sold his soul to the K Street corpo crowd, so save me the Gore is principled speeches for someone who doesn't know better.

Sherrod Brown has been a man of principle on many issues go take a look at his long list of very liberal stances he has taken and see how he won in the red and blue areas of Ohio, because the man has stood strong for what he believes and people vote for him because of this.

Hackett should have run for the rep seat again.

The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them.


[ Parent ]
I guess principle is in the eye of the beholder (0.00 / 0)
Sherrod Brown has been a politician since 1975, non-stop.  31 consecutive years in the hothouse of politics.  And for that, he is deemed principled.  I don't doubt he has honed his record and image to appear principled.  He's probably the most principled man in the entire U.S.A.

And Gore and Hackett?  They think putting their lives in combat is principled?  What a coupla achmoes.  Why can't they be more principled like Sherrod Brown.  Gore has wandered a bit over the map on issues and ideas, but he has consistently learned and grown as a person.  He's also went out on limbs where no one has joined him.  Even his Senate career is spotted with times as a loner.  Over the last 6 years outside of that hothouse he has gained perspective that Brown will never have, because the only way Brown ever will is for you to pry his dead cold fingers away from political office.  He's an addict.

As for Hackett, I've listened to him.  He's about a lot more than being against the Iraq War.  He's green, but he won't necessarily take a position just because it's liberal or just because it's the smart political move.  And you can indeed be principled with conservative views.

Gore isn't even the horse that I'm backing for President, and I live nowhere near Ohio so I won't be voting for Hackett anytime soon.  I'm stating these things as rationale for why MSOC might mention them.

And although she is backing Gore, she is on record as saying Hackett's candidacy interested her but that he wouldn't necessarily be her man.  What didn't make sense was for Kos to throw him under the bus.  Kos served in the military, Hackett did.  Kos has centrist conservative views, Hackett does.  What possible thing could have attracted Kos to ultra-liberal and principled Brown?  Kos loves conservative Dems like Hackett, e.g. Tester and Webb.  He loves the idea of a bunch of conservative Dems from the Mountain West getting elected.  So yea, Kos did throw him under the bus, and MSOC was rightfully pointing it out, regardless of whatever her own personal stance is on Hackett's politics.


[ Parent ]
excellent thoughts n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
wrong axis (6.00 / 2)
brown was establishment.  hackett wasn't.  that's the axis that matters.
s.

[ Parent ]
you are nuts (0.00 / 0)
Brown is an established liberal, the man is known for standing up for liberal ideals, Hackett is an untested moderate who talks tough, only a fool choses the outsider just because he is an outsider.

The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them.

[ Parent ]
yes, i'm batshit crazy (0.00 / 0)
insane.  off the deep end.  cuckoo.  off my rocker.  completely nuts.  a couple of hundred screws loose.

but, uh, did you notice something, mr. sane?  did you notice that you said the exact same thing i said?  to wit:


Brown is an established liberal

so, um, doesn't that mean that you're batshit crazy also?  *lmao*

s.


[ Parent ]
oh & i'm a fool also (0.00 / 0)
given a choice, i will choose an outsider every time.  every.  single.  time.  :-)
s.

[ Parent ]
You had me long before "EXXON" (9.33 / 6)
However, I was certainly glad I wasn't sipping some hot coffee at the time I read your conclusion.  I'd be in the burn treatment center, if I had.

Master-fucking-piece.  Thanks MSOC.  You made my day.


Maryscott, (10.25 / 4)
my dear, you are a committed woman, passionate about your beliefs, and I admire you for that, and agree with almost all of what you say (but, then, I'm an old-fashioned leftie).  You are bookmarked on my list of "Favorites," and I would visit your site ten times a day, if only I had more time and patience.  The only reason I don't is that I have a very, very slow dial-up (I live in the boonies- no DSL or cable-modem) and your site takes an inordinate length of time to download on a dial-up.  Other than that, keep up the good work, and I will visit as often as I can, given time constraints.

"We have met the enemy, and he is us." -Pogo Possum

Yahoo message board was closed down (9.50 / 4)
and simultaneously dKos took a hard turn to the ugly.  They seem to be decending into the long night of the tin eared lawyers.  I say let 'em stew in their own fucking juice.

Positively Fourth Street (10.40 / 5)
I am not so sanguine. Come to think of it, HOWL captures my feelings most accurately. You know:
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,..." Markos must be answering to a board of directors now, enhancing shareholder value. Maybe he became a target of some kind. One thing's for sure: he's made some money at this netroots thingy, and he's not going to crash it by being to "out there." MLW is one of the reasons I am a Democrat, but I was onto MLW before you were even a twinkle in anybody's eyes. I met Dylan on a streetcorner singing for nickels & dimes, and in front of the Cafe Wha' on Saturday nights when they kicked him off MacDougal for creating too much traffic. Then, just as suddenly as he was there, he vanished, but I caught up with him again in Woodstock - - no, not Yasgur's farm - - Woodstock, NY. Gotta run to a meeting. MSOC: you blog hard! 

Maryscott, I meant to get over here earlier (10.60 / 5)
but I had to pick up the kid and the dry cleaning!  In the meantime, a first rate bloodletting has broken out over at big orange.  So, after further consideration I decided I'd rather give you the hit over here instead.

I agree with your post, and was very disappointed that Kos "pulled up the ladder" in the blog roll.

One thing that has been lost over at DKos, which, frankly, I think was the most important part of your diary was the de-linking of the search enging portion of your argument.  That is, that by de-linking the minor blogs from the major blogs, they were also de-linked from google and the other search engines.  This is huge and it is being completely ignored.

In any event, I'll be certain to put MLW on my daily rounds of blogs from now on.


596 replies (8.80 / 5)
in the hour I was gone.  Think you struck a nerve?  Many just the old "jealous gang" some true believers, but many support what you have said.

I teased earlier, but I read and reread (and their weren't nearly enough "douchbag toe-sucking ingrates" in it for me)....but the ring of truth resonates.

Maryscott, you have become a trusted friend, and in some ways (although a MUCH younger) a sister/mentor.  Cooler heads and higher roads.  You rant but you are gentle to the people you deal with.  Tres cool.  Beyond me, but I can aspire.

My promise and commitment to you in all this:

I promise you, and every new user here, I will read them.  I may not always agree, but I will listen and learn.  You can be heard here.

I will FP good ideas, and fresh voices, and not be a servant of "favoritism" and "groupthink" as has happened elsewhere.

I think we will become the True Voice of the Left, where actual ideals count.  People count.  Finding and supporting REAL liberals in real ways.

Anything I can do to help you and your blog, my friend, I am at your service.

We are all lucky to be here.



Markos is a jerk. (9.00 / 7)
The people on his site are great. But his ego needs a pin prick.

Formerly Victor Lazlo UID something in the 5000s. Summarily dumped by the troll rating clique of Politically Correct kossacks who do not live in the reality based world as much as they would hope and think they do.

You lost a spy in the house of the military industrial complex when you booted me. You can engage now in endless mutual masturbation leading to  nothing.

I meanwhile will engage in sabotage to support and defend the Constitution.


I just want to say hi to everyone here. (9.20 / 5)
I am new so I don't know the language, rules, etc.

[ Parent ]
victor... (9.00 / 1)
welcome :) jump on in the water's fine.

[ Parent ]
You're off... (8.33 / 3)
to a great start, Victor.

You'll get the hang of it in no time.

"I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance." William Faulkner


[ Parent ]
The dishonesty of Markos (10.45 / 11)
I should put in a disclaimer here, I have an extreme bias against Markos.  I've said it for a year and a half, he is dangerous to the real true liberal movement.  People powered is hogwash the way Markos applies it, he is as dangerous to those of us who are true liberals as he is politically ignorant, the opposite of politically savvy and the goddamned 'vision' of having a fuckingass 'big tent' party.

He once said if the Democratic Party is the party of choice (abortion) he will find another party.  His blanket support of Bob Casey Jr. is only one highlight of his desire to see choice removed as a principle of this party.  How long has he been politically minded, since 2000. 

And how politically unsavvy is he?  Enough so to insult women, enough so to insult 'hippies', enough so to insult 'baby boomers,' enough so to insult Garrison Keiller.  He longs to build a movement, and pretends that he has, and he's fuckingass stupid enough to dismiss those of us who are the fuckingass backbone of the Democratic Party, the very party he thinks he's instrumental in showing the fuckingass way, the only way, the only real, true way. 

If he's so goddamned proud of the movement he's creating why can't he tell the fuckingass truth instead of using, for his own advantage, the mantle that he and his blog are liberals, left-leaning and progressive?  If he's so fuckingass proud why doesn't he stop telling the media it's a liberal site, why doesn't he correct them when they call him a liberal and his site liberal?

The dishonesty of Markos makes him and his site fuckingass dangerous to all true liberal, progressive, left-leaning people and voters.

He's built a site on the backs of true liberals, it's a fuckingass sham.


I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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cali's fuckingass baaaack! (8.67 / 3)
and I am so happy.  He said that?  I did not know.

Douchbag ingrate motherfucker.  ahhhh

I feel better now.


[ Parent ]
Garrison Keiller? (9.50 / 4)
What the fuck can he gave against Garrison Keiller?

Now I'm really mad.

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[ Parent ]
He didn't know who Keillor was (8.00 / 1)
and Keillor made some statement that he disagreed with, and he basically posted a one-liner, "Who the fuck is Garrison Keillor?  Read this."  People got really mad at him on the thread, and because Kos is young and hotheaded and proud (like me) he updated with a "whatever, his statement was still dumb."  I know exactly how Kos felt -- it's hard to admit that you're wrong when so many people are pounding it down your throat.

Cali probably has a different point of view on the incident.

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[ Parent ]
Cali does indeed have a different point of view (9.25 / 8)
NP, this is my take on what Markos said.  Who the fuck is Garrison Keiller in reference to something Keiller had said, like WHO THE FUCK IS HE to say what he said.  Get it?

The reason so many got mad was because it would take a fuckingass half a second to Google him, to find out who he is for crissakes.  He has a blog that hundreds of thousands read every day and he can't take the time to know what the hell he's talking about?

Give me a break, poor babies, you're young and hotheaded and proud so you get a free pass? 

I guess because he's proud he can be forgiven his slights to many, many groups of people, women should forgive him his stance on abortion, cuz he's young and proud, the 'dirty hippies' should forgive him for what he said, cuz he's young and proud, the 'women's study set' should forgive him because he made a half-assed apology and then proceeded to trash women in the comments on threads that very same day, because, you know, he's young and proud, the boomer generation should forgive him his slights against us, cuz, you know, he's young and proud.  WTF???

It just doesn't fly NP, if he's old enough to say he is the end all, be all of a whole political movement, then he should take the time to learn who it is he's trashing.  It's not right, but it's also politically naive and stupid to spout off and never, ever apologize.

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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[ Parent ]
You're right, of course (9.00 / 2)
The biggest error is in not fixing the problem after he's made it.  Me, I'm good with the apologizing.  Not so good with the not-offending-in-the-first-place, unfortunately.

The "women's studies set" thing was a graver offense, and by far the worst thing I have EVER seen on that blog.  I came very, very close to leaving dKos over that one.  To me, that was the Rubicon right there.

And when I made the choice to stay, I knew I was staying for good, because there was nothing Kos could do that would offend me more than his driving off voices like Lorraine and not caring one whit about it.  My choice to stay made me look at dKos in a different light: as a hub of activism and a source of traffic for my own projects (plus I've always liked Kos' writing style -- so shoot me).  I've never again looked at it as a community.

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[ Parent ]
And I'll add this ... (8.20 / 5)
If Garrison Keiller hadn't reacted the way he did to that tshirt he would have been in a world of hurt by the women who are liberals in this party, as he has written and said over and over, that he is a liberal. 

Prairie Ho Companion is offensive as fuckingass hell, they should be taken to task for this.  It's unbelieveable to me that anyone wouldn't see why Keiller would ask them to cease and desist.

AND because Markos took the stand he did, well, need I say more about how he feels about women in comparison to how he views his business as the owner and founder of DailyKos?

Prairie Ho Companions, indeed. 

The fact that Markos couldn't even see it, that all he thought about was his own empire and the chance that he might be sued someday, well, it says volumes, that he never spoke up.



I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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[ Parent ]
Cali, you have been posterized by BTD (0.00 / 0)
over at Big Orange.....Front page posterized too...

....I have been concerned about Kos's comments that he wants to make the Democratic Party more libertarian....


[ Parent ]
The Democratic/Republican Party (9.12 / 8)
The Democratic/Republican Party

One bird

Two wings

And it's a turkey

In other words, DailyKos has peaked.

IMPEACH BU$HCO  & U.S. OUT OF IRAQ...NOW!!!!!!


hi nobody! (0.00 / 0)


-pyrrho-

[ Parent ]
FWIW (9.00 / 6)
In support of MLW and Maryscott, MLW and DailyKos have switched places on my Tabs-The place of the premiere spot (visible whenever I have the internet up) now belongs to MLW.  I know, I know, inflate the floats and strike up the band...heh..But it's my personal show of support.

I have been remiss in stopping in here, as I proved to myself when it took me four times to log on..til I remembered my MLW logon was the same as my DKos one.  Once a blonde always a blonde.  But amidst our own blog efforts plus our so called real life, I am going to make much more of an effort to at least read here more.

Plus your site is much prettier (lol). I mean seriously, the orange hurts after awhile, ya know?
(In more ways than one).

Good to check in with you, Maryscott, and I hope to see you on the tube again sometime.  Please, not Fox again though....:-)

"The problem with the French is they don't have a word for 'entrepreneur'."-GWB ...Experience The Tempest!


Tempest (10.00 / 2)
I checked out your website (love your sig line) and found that you recommend big orange on your blogroll, but My Left Wing isn't there. Wassup?

[ Parent ]
Our blogroll (9.50 / 4)
Was formed by Daniel (my better half) when The Tempest blog was born in January 2006.  I just consulted with him, and not only is My Left Wing going on the blogroll, it's going on Our Favorites list, which is ABOVE the recommended sites.

Thanks very much for pointing that out.  And when we move to our own domain (sometime this year) MLW will continue to be featured as a favorite. 



"The problem with the French is they don't have a word for 'entrepreneur'."-GWB ...Experience The Tempest!


[ Parent ]
I love technology (9.00 / 1)
And my husband too..it's already there. ;-) Thanks again, Kate.

"The problem with the French is they don't have a word for 'entrepreneur'."-GWB ...Experience The Tempest!

[ Parent ]
Hi MSOC, came here from dKos (9.86 / 7)
because I felt like the spirit of your post demanded that I reply here and not there.

When I decided to dive into political blogs about a year ago, I very deliberately chose one and only one to participate in.  I just can't manage to keep up with the dialogue on more than one place.  And I very deliberately chose the big voice - it's just more efficient even if the perspective is skewed in certain ways.

But today in your honor I got a MLW account.  Can't promise I will visit regularly, so I hope you do keep crossposting, which will remind me to check in here if I haven't in awhile.

I love your crazy rant style, even though it's about the direct opposite of my style and even if I disagree with huge chunks of what you say.  But I think in this post, in the end, you made a really important point about community and loyalty.  And lest those be seen as mushy or unimportant values, they are actually very important to building an effective political organization and to mobilizing people to act.

I hate a lot of talk about gender differences, because no one really tries to think through how much of observed differences are hardwired to sex, how much are gendered socialization, and how much those interact with each other and the biases we bring to our study of these differences.

But your valuation of "loyalty" here, and the fact that the "BBB's" seem to value that less, just strikes me as classic "In a Different Voice" stuff.  (I hate that book, but every once in awhile I think it must be dead on.) 

Even if there's only a 10 percent chance that difference really is because women are differentially oriented to building networks in the blogosphere than men, it is a great argument for more diversity in the voices that are out there.  And all the more reason to keep you on the list.

So, you were wronged.  Carry on as you clearly will.  Look forward to the next rant.


but what of intrinsic merit? (0.00 / 0)
But I think in this post, in the end, you made a really important point about community and loyalty.  And lest those be seen as mushy or unimportant values, they are actually very important to building an effective political organization and to mobilizing people to act.

Don't you think community ad loyalty might also just be virtuous?

What of virtue?


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[ Parent ]
femlaw, i'm a guy, 47 (9.20 / 5)
with a daughter and two granddaughters so even if I didn't actively believe what you're saying about how gender roles are social consructs designed to enforce a structural system of inequality (i know! I took it a bit further than you did ;) ), I'd still have a stake in what you're saying because I want the best for my kids and grandkids.

But the fact is, I don't think kos was using a gender tactic, I think MSOC is right about kos being shamed and embarrassed by the liberal voices on the blogroll and on his site... the feminist set, the impeachment porn crowd, and all of us old dirty hippies.

Having said that, post here and i'll read you. I really despise systems of inequality and matrices of domination and want to see them dismantled wherever they are. And the ones that involve gender are particularly insidious because they have parts imbedded in the most innocent places in our culture.

Welcome.


-8.88/-7.08... Go ahead, accuse me again of being a rightwing conservative.


[ Parent ]
YOU ROCK!!!!! (9.67 / 3)
as always.  You are still one of the best writers I have read since I found the blogs after Demfest 2005.  I am not as active blogging as I should be but always love this place and the fact that my little blog is a part of the all inclusive blogroll on MLW.

Doing My Part For The Left,Send me to Netroots Nation

My prediction (8.00 / 8)
At some point Kos will kiss the ring and be a bigger sellout than Leiberman.

hmmm so you think (8.00 / 1)
he has yet to do so?

just askin!

-8.88/-7.08... Go ahead, accuse me again of being a rightwing conservative.


[ Parent ]
Damn, lady (9.20 / 5)
I'm glad to see you back.

Advocating for more local blogs and at the same time cutting them off at the knees is not helpful.  Markos needs to be more responsible with the hub power he has in the Democratic Party blogosphere--for that is where he positions Big Orange.  And when you are not even serving the Democratic Party with your blogroll, then you are certainly not going to serve lefties like us.

Good work.

Want a third party -- 50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts -- Go get 'em


I've always thought (8.33 / 3)
kos was smart enough he will figure things out... marisacat hates me for that... anyway, it might not happen because of the money and power can lock you in, and kos at the moment seems enrapt with the vision so common to the successful businessman, what is good for dkos is good for America.

-pyrrho-

[ Parent ]
Also in Orange (10.00 / 1)
A paraphrase of these sentiments in orange.

Want a third party -- 50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts -- Go get 'em

[ Parent ]
Thank you! (8.71 / 7)

"But as for political activism and leadership? Sorry, no sale, man -- the day he threw Paul Hackett under the bus on Rahm Emanuel's bidding was the day I knew Markos was just another DLC in training. "Nice try, live to fight another day, we're going with the anointed one" -- what a bunch of fucking BULLSHIT."

My thoughts exactly!  I've been a lurker over there for three years and I finally had to join to bring some realism into the discussions over there.  It's probably a lost cause.

Markos went into this as a business.  Now that he's moved up in the world, he can't afford to slum with the likes of us real people.  Next he'll be commenting on MTP with Timmeh!

Your post brought me over here to hang out with real lefties. 

Keep on keepin' on!


There's a big difference between you, MSOC (10.00 / 14)
and Kos...and one which brought me to this site in the first place when I joined a while back (sorry for my absence, I've been lazily hanging out in orange for a while primarily because I enjoy a number of regulars there)...so to the difference...

One thing I notice about you is that you actually write an editorial when you post a diary...Markos, while his blog does provide a service and he has some good front pagers who write meaningful diaries, oftentimes writes little more than "Digby gets it[linked]" or "Aravosis says it best[also linked]" with a brief quote from their diaries.  This, in my opinion, is sheer laziness...but as he has grown into a more 'mainstream' blogger (lord knows he loves his mentions in the MSM--CNN, MSNBC, etc.) maybe he feels he's above writing his opinions in full.

You're spot-on with your criticism of him regarding Al Gore...I, as well as several other dkos regulars, have noted this on numerous occasions, as I know you have. 

Several years ago, I was a regular poster on Slate (the MSN site) in their political forums, religious forums, and general bullshit forums...but I left that site for the same reason I find myself tiring of dKos (cheers n jeers and a few other regular posters notwithstanding)...forums tend, over time, to evolve (devolve, I suppose) into cliques of 'in crowds' who dictate the appropriate, or accepted, behaviors on their little virtual universes.  dKos isn't any different.  The hyperfocus on 2008 in January and February of 2007 is yet another indicator of this, in my opinion.

I enjoy MLW, and I will continue to visit it.  I'll also recommend it to people I know, to hopefully make up a small part of the traffic the current blogroll bullshit has cost you.

Your diary (which I read in full on dKos, by the way), is more than a rant--it's a criticism of the status quo, and every bit as valid as the criticism we post about the bush administration...the reaction on dKos to your diary, ironically enough, is every bit as dismissive as a WH press briefing by Tony Snow...something I would hope some 'kossacks'(I dislike that term for multiple reasons, the least of which being that it pigeon-holes a person into groupthink and towing the line) would recognise.

Keep up the good work, and please, don't let the motherfuckers get you down.  You are a beautiful and integral part of this part of American (and international) online culture, and I think I speak for more than just myself when I say I value your contributions.

Thanks for being here.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.


may be the best comment (0.00 / 0)
I've read.  Right on.

[ Parent ]
MLW on Ted Kennedy's site (10.17 / 6)
Here ya go MSOC - I scrunched it for you...





Ahem. (9.00 / 5)
Hi, Maryscott. :)

SO much to say on this.

First, before I say anything, please remember that I am the Blogfriend Who Always Disagrees With Maryscott's Decisions On Important Stuff.  It's just who I am, for whatever reason.  So you should take EVERYTHING I say with a HUGE grain of salt.  For instance, I thought you were wrong to go on Gibby's TV show, and you were TOTALLY RIGHT and I was the one who was wrong.

Second, I read this whole entire diary, which I rarely do any more because I'm so busy, and I was extremely impressed with it, despite my forthcoming critiques.  You've raised a number of important points and brought them into the light of day instead of allowing them to fester, a great strength of yours.  Furthermore, you've made some extremely persuasive arguments, even if there are some I am not persuaded by.

Third, I found one factual inaccuracy in your diary:

The innovation Markos can be credited with is political blogging.

Nope.  Before Markos there was Jerome, and before Jerome there was Taegan, and before Taegan there was DU and a whole host of other sites.  Plus that's not counting Ezra Klein and Kevin Thurman, who helped Gary Hart set up the first personal Presidential candidate blog, and Aziz Poonawalla, who started the DeanBlog that was how so many of us Deaniacs got into blogging.  All of this happened BEFORE Kos got big (with the exception of Aziz, before dKos even started.

This may sound like a trivial point, and it probably is, but I'm going to address the more substantive ones in a minute.  Bear with me.

Fourth, I owe you an apology for one thing: when I wrote my (somewhat offhand) comments that you so kindly linked to, I forgot just how much effort you had put into building dKos infrastructure OFFline, including the "Encino Seven" meetup, your prominent role in organizing the first YearlyKos, etc.  That DOES change things, and it DOES mean Kos owes you some loyalty, and makes you a special case -- someone like, say, BooMan wouldn't fit under that same criterion of loyalty.

Fifth, those of us who have been converted to Gore over the past year or so owe you a huge debt for being one of the only voices on the Net to keep the faith through those dark years.  You were truly the Cassandra on that issue, and if Markos is too prideful to acknowledge that, then shame on him.  That also changes my initial calculus about who owes who.

Sixth, I stand by my point that I don't believe your site traffic will go down by a third because you were de-linked (although it may do that for Pyrrho's reasons about search engine optimization, actually).  Just because you get so many links from dKos doesn't mean that those people are actually coming from dKos, it just means they like to click on dKos first.  Booman's traffic hasn't gone down and I don't believe yours will either.

Seventh, while some people may get hits from beng on your blogroll, I don't believe it's a significant source of traffic for just about anybody.  When I ran Schweitzer for President, a site which at its height got fifteen hits a day, I read my sitemeter obsessively for four months.  During that time, we received just two hits from the MLW blogroll.  Every time I posted a comment on dKos, my Schweitzer for President link in my comment signature got me more traffic than my blogroll link on MLW.  The same is true now with my new site.  I get approximately one hit every two days from the MLW blogroll when I don't have a diary or FP post up.  When I post comments here, I get approximately one hit for every other comment I post.  So if I posted only one comment here every day, I'd get the same traffic from my comment sigs as I get from your blogroll.

The reason for this, I believe, is that your blogroll is simply too long to be read regularly by anybody.  I'm willing to bet that the people who do click through are by and large those who would read me anyway, and are just doing so out of convenience.  It's the reason I've structured my blogroll like Kos's -- because that's the structure that works best IMO for the goal of blogrolls, which is to drive up traffic at liberal sites.  It's not fair to argue that Kos should just have expanded his blogroll to include the new sites without dropping the old ones, because then all the sites' clickthrough traffic would have gone down.

Eighth, I do have a deal-breaker for the candidates I support, but it's not an ideological litmus test.  I look for honesty, integrity, courage, and vision.  Bob Casey had at least some of these things, which is why I supported him (though I was an Alan Sandals supporter in the primary and even wrote a Kos diary about it).  Ben Nelson also has a lot of those things, which is why I support him.  Bill Nelson, another DINO, has all of them in spades, which is why I enthusiastically support him.  Sam Brownback has it too, but I will not be supporting him -- some viewpoints are just beyond the pale.  So interestingly enough, there ARE some Democrats I would not be willing to support -- people like Russ Carnahan and Al Wynn -- but they aren't DINOs per se.  Just a different standard, is all.

Ninth, I am embarrassed to say I was a "Gray Fucking Davis for President" supporter for about a month in late 2002.  I had a good reason, though: I loved the way he stood up and talked tough to the evil energy companies.  In the end, it wasn't enough.  But I was proud of him anyway.

Tenth (I'm on a roll here), I don't think Markos owes it to anyone to be democratic in his choice of blog design.  That's not a community issue like setting the rules of debate, it's a proprietor issue.  Just like you don't owe it to me to shorten your blogroll because I say so, any more than you would owe it to fifty of me were we to tell you the same thing.

Eleventh, I don't believe you owe anything to BHD.  I admire and respect you for believing you do, but I disagree.  Likewise, were I Markos I would have de-linked BooMan ages ago.  If your goal is to build up the liberal blogosphere, there is no obligation to link to those who would only tear it down.

Twelfth, despite my staunch disagreements with Markos over just about everything policy-related, the role he has played in taking our party and our country back has been invaluable.  His steadfast support for the DNC Chairmanship of either Dean or Simon Rosenberg (which would have had the same effect either way if you believe, as I do, that the greatest DNC innovation of the past cycle was the fifty-state strategy), and his discrediting of the odious snake-oil salesman Donnie Fowler, were key efforts in that critical battle.  His dragging over the finish line financially of Jon Tester, a true progressive if I ever saw one, helped win us the Senate.  His support of Richard Morrison before anybody ever gave that guy a chance helped dethrone DeLay and return Nick Lampson to Congress.  His laissez-faire approach to his site has allowed literally hundreds of impressive efforts to be launched from there, including this site, EPluribus Media and their revelations about Gannon/Guckert, Hunter's commentary on the TANG memos, and Jerome a Paris' Energy Independence initiative.  I wouldn't discount his beneficial netroots influence for the world, even if it may well be coming to an end.

Thirteenth, Markos is on the way to moving up and out of the blogosphere.  He doesn't even write on his site as much as he used to.  That's bully for him, and sad for those of us who are left behind.  But when Bill Clinton moved up and out of the slums of Arkansas, did the slum-dwellers spit on him because he had made it good?  No -- they looked to him as an inspiration, as someone who had done something they, too, could hope to aspire to.  When the Kennedys moved up and out of the Lower East Side, did the Irish who were left behind begrudge their success to them?  Again, no.  Neither should we begrudge Markos his success, even if he's wronged us.  In his own way, he's an inspiration.

Fourteenth, and this is my major point (finally!), I think you're conflating two important and vitally different things here.  The first is the fact that Kos is moving up and out of the blogosphere and trashing some folks along the way that don't deserve it.  The second is the new phenomenon of smaller liberal community blogs, which I like to call the SoapBlox Revolution.  In case folks haven't noticed, the number of SoapBloxes has increased exponentially since MLW started the trend going.  While many of these sites are state political blogs (i.e., the new crowd linked at Kos), the true COMMUNITY sites have grown exponentially too.  There are also more and more non-SoapBlox community blogs, among them BooTrib, EuroTrib, The Next Agenda, and Eteraz.

Fifteenth, and lastly (yes, I am allowed to have one more point than Woodrow Wilson!), I want to go back to that comment of BooMan's I quoted earlier:

Markos is the bigtime now.  He's linking to other big-timers like Josh Marshall and James Wolcott and Arianna.  We're not in that class.  He's moved on.  That's his right.  I don't begrudge him for it.  But we little people gotta stick together and I'm more than willing to do that.

The key here, the absolute key, is that "we little people gotta stick together."  That's what's hampering the small community blogs in the second wave of blogging -- no cohesion, no organization.

So what we need to do, IMO -- and this is something I've been thinking about for several months now -- is formalize and cement these ties between the second-wave liberal community blogs.  Heck, I've already named the organization The Second Wave Alliance, though I don't have anywhere near the time to run it.  We need an ad network all our own through BlogAds.  We need a forum like Townhouse, though I'd prefer that it not be so secretive.  We need a bloggregator like BlogSheroes.  We need some cohesion for activism purposes, so when, say, Eteraz posts something about needing letters sent to the Afghan embassy to preserve a liberal Afghani politician's freedom of speech, the word can go out on three dozen community-blog front pages simultaneously.  We need to band together as small liberal community blogs and ensure that the second wave of blogging is as effective and more democratic than the first.  And yes, I'm dead serious about this.

Still reading, MSOC?  Bravo.  And let me just say what a fine person and public you are, in spite of this latest in our many disagreements.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future


Er (0.00 / 0)
Public FIGURE, that is.  MSOC is not a "public," whatever that means. :)

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future

[ Parent ]
political blogging (6.00 / 1)
i got my start on salon's message board, that was so long ago i forgot the cute name they called it.

i was so active that after i left the administrator emailed me and wanted to know why i left.  i told her politely that it was only because i started my own blog.

and yes, we hate to admit it, but most of the big conservative blogs were in existence a full year before the wave of lefty blogs, including kos, atrios, talkleft, skippy, and others came along (watch for an upcoming anniversary fest of 5 years of blogging from all the oldsters...including skippy on july 10!)

kos didn't invent political blogging...he invented political blogging as a method of getting ahead in the real world.

no, wait, that was wonkette.

jon stewart sez: "when i want news, i turn to cnn...and they turn...to skippy...the bush...kangaroo!"


[ Parent ]
Markos's innovation... (0.00 / 0)

Yeah, I misspoke. What I meant, and I DO think I'm right, here, is that he brought Scoop-based community blogging, the whole Community Diaries section, into the mix. The Daily Kos format is THE community political blog format model, as far as I'm concerned. I stole it, lock stock and barrel, though I used Soapy's SoapBlox software -- a far, FAR superior system, in my not so humble fucking opinion...

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

[ Parent ]
even scoop wasn't as original as all that (0.00 / 0)
smirking chimp had a diary section going back to 2000, which functioned much like post-scoop dKos. mostly, dKos became big because dKos became big, and so became the place people went to when other blogs closed down (whiskey bar, or any # of campaign blogs after candidates dropped out) or became unlivable (i remember floods of democratic underground refuggees showing up at dKos from time to time, angry as hell about some shit on DU that i could care less about).

markos just got his startup well-placed at a critical time, and has made a bundle selling buzz. it's based upon a bubble mentality, if you ask me.

surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat


[ Parent ]
FWIW (0.00 / 0)
Rusty, who developed Scoop and Markos paid to implement for him, had the original scoop-based blog, Kuro5hin.

The biggest problem with Scoop is the rating system imo. Other than that it's cool.

Jaded Reality... freedom is just another word for, nothing left to lose


[ Parent ]
point #15 (9.00 / 1)
that's the winner here.  that's the big enchilada.  that's the future. 

if the end result of this "blogletting" is something like what nonpartisan is proposing in point #15:  the second wave alliance -- hell, i'd just call it "the wave" & be done with it -- then the blogtopia as a whole will have won.

more importantly, it will have set up a decentralized structure so that there are no more "gatekeepers", so that the only thing that counts is the quality of someone's writing, the strength of someone's ideas.
s.


[ Parent ]
A post on the nature of Kos (7.50 / 4)
Here is a "post" (my preferred noun) onKos and the blogroll:

I am not a Democrat, I'm a progressive. Kos is a Democrat who has a very popular blog. I like to post there because of the wide readership and lively community. I am not there to read posts by Kos or most Dem apologists. I am there to make points, particularly supporting Al Gore. What Kos thinks of Gore is of no importance to me.

What Kos thinks of MLW is equally unimportant. I like to visit here from time to time, but when I post I generally want the biggest possible readership. After all, I'm an author in real life and it goes with the territory.

MLW is much closer to my own philosophy, most of the time, so I feel less of a need to address this audience. Preaching to the choir is fun but futile. I'd rather get in the face of pseudo-progressive Kossacks.

MLW deserves the exposure that comes with the blogroll, but Kos has elected to restrict that honor to blogs he agrees with. Pity, but that's life. Show up at YearlyKos and plug the hell out of MLW!

Meanwhile, continue to post at DailyKos when you have something to say. Our input is needed to keep the Dem-worshipers anchored to reality.

Beware George's Extra Special Terrorist and Police Organization!


fwiw (10.33 / 3)
I think it's helpful that people are here to preach to the choir - helps to minimize the cognitive dissonance we so often experience in our daily lives.

: )

But if you have the stomach for talking to people who are what I consider to be Out There, more power to you.

national shopping boycott April 15 - April 22 www.wearenotbuyingit.org


[ Parent ]
MSOC at YKos II? (6.50 / 2)

Yeah, um, I don't THINK so. Unless Shockwave or someone else chooses to be my benefactor once more and covers all expenses, I ain't goin'. No fucking way am I spending hundreds of dollars to be patronised and marginalised and told that Hillary's nomination is inevitable so I might as well lie back and enjoy it...

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

[ Parent ]
I think I can arrange for a free studio apartment just ten (0.00 / 0)
minutes from McCormick place if you want it.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

[ Parent ]
and you will have the benefit of engaging (0.00 / 0)
with a group of really bright leftists who are students at the university of chicago.  just let me know.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

[ Parent ]
Or ... (0.00 / 0)
People like me, who got 3 degrees from the University of Chicago (and still feel burned!)

Beware George's Extra Special Terrorist and Police Organization!

[ Parent ]
Well, neither will I.. (6.00 / 1)
Despite being in the "No Freakin' Clue" camp on the last series of straw polls, I've just signed up for Edwards' One Corps, in the hopes of getting my inertia going.

And I'm still leaning towards going Green if she's the nominee -- being in a safe state like California allows me a small level of integrity. But there's just something about her that strikes me as...well, too centrist -- I think some of the others (Edwards, Obama) might just pull some surprises out of their sleeves...

"Mr. Bush, you do not own this country!" -- Keith Olbermann, 1/2/07


[ Parent ]
me too (0.00 / 0)
i was all set to show up and then this blogroll bloodletting happened.

add that to how i was dumped on last year and i think i can pass.

jon stewart sez: "when i want news, i turn to cnn...and they turn...to skippy...the bush...kangaroo!"


[ Parent ]
I'll be there because (0.00 / 0)
1. I volunteered to run a resource center for all campaigns, dealing with framing, campaign materials, and all non-monetary aspects of campaigns. This is a theme I've been discussing at dKos for some time.

2. To make sure that some true progressive viewpoints are heard, to do battle with the Hillary forces and promote my own agenda (Gore, Gore, Gore).

3. To visit my sister, who lives in Hyde Park

4. To meet some of the candidates I worked for in 2006

5. To try and find a paying job in the 2008 campaigns.

6. To meet people like Maryscott!

So please, don't stay away because we are a minority. I'm still a Yippie at heart and believe that a few determined individuals can make a difference!

Beware George's Extra Special Terrorist and Police Organization!


[ Parent ]
My 49 cents worth (10.00 / 5)

The Republicans have been wildly successful over the past 30 years in no small part because of their tightly integrated network of think tanks, advocacy groups, lobbying organizations, and media organizations (such as Fox News on TV and Rush Limbaugh on radio).  They have created a conservative juggernaut that has steamrolled the Democrats for years.

Only now are the Democrats trying to put together a competing network of organizations.  Air America is one example, but you can add in the various liberal and left-leaning blogs, of which DKos has been the Big Daddy for some time now. 

Our success will be a direct result of how well and tightly we work together.  So for DKos to summarily drop a dozen or two dozen members of this ad hoc network is a step backward, not forward.  It makes competing with the Republicans over the long term harder, not easier. It harms our chances of success. 

This is NOT about hurt feelings, although I think it is partly about certain people with political ambitions wanting to hide their nutty uncles in the closet.  But mainly, this is about how we compete with the Republicans.

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.


business is business (7.50 / 4)
"Hunter's commentary on the TANG memos"

he was wrong about that stuff, it always bugged me that the blogosphere doesn't revisit and admit such things.

what good are all those links and "graduate research quality" writing if you just leave it out there wrong and go, "eh, heh heh heh".

I do like much of what you said, and I agree that for small blogs to link together is the key, I have long had a plan in that regard as well that I should move on, and take motivation from this for that. However, I think repudiating this type of decision is an important part of this.  Not everyone has paid as close attention as you have, many people don't know there is this extra need, the mainstream view is and will continue to be that dailykos is the netroots hub, that it IS providing that link.

  Trimming the blogroll could be seen as acknowledging that, and one can say that's a good thing, it's more open now. I say that. But we need to announce what it is, what it means, amplify that meaning, crystalize the apt metaphors now, in order to establish the need for that kind of work.

Many people still think dkos is not-for-profit that just happens to be organized as a for-profit, you know, sorta to make it more nimble and flexible or something, but really, it's an altruistic orgaization letting you hang out in it's living room on it's dime for no self interested reason.

I am fine with dkos being a business, but a business it is, not a living room. The place is not supplied due to altruism, and thank god since there is little less stable than so called "altruism". It is supplied as a for profit enerprise that returns more than it costs to supply, much more.  It is a successful business, not a movement nor a hub for other people's businesses or political goals.

I'll state right now, businesses are on their own, I want progressive results. I do support private property political activism, I think it's a good way to make activism robust. I think there are way to navigate the dangers of selling out (specifically, selling out carefully, e.g. merchendizing your logo, selling books you endorse, acceptable advertising...), and in the end it will be good for business to be involved. 

But I myself only want to see businesses succeed in order to have progress, there is no question to me which yields if there is a conflict.

-pyrrho-


[ Parent ]
WAS Hunter wrong? (0.00 / 0)
The CBS producer who ran them still claims they were right.  Frankly, I haven't read enough to know.

I'm glad we're on the same page re: the small community blogs.  But if you make the alliance all about Kos, it will BE all about Kos, and it will be ANTI-Kos, and it will dissolve into internal warfare and collapse.  It needs to be a supplemental group, not an angry break.  Anything else will fale.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future


[ Parent ]
yes (0.00 / 0)
though I don't think we followed up, so if there was more debunking it was not done by us...

The final word with the apology by CBS is the documents seemed to be forged, e.g. the forged copies of documents that once existed...

-pyrrho-


[ Parent ]
OK (9.00 / 2)
I will concede the arguments that DKos is a for-profit enterprise, that it's Kos's website, he can do with it what he wants...but when you take that premise, then you open it up to a lot of harsh criticism too.  If he's gonna run it this way, then he better be prepared to be criticized the same way we criticize Wal-Mart, and Exxon, and Halliburton.  There are businesses that run themselves in a progressive, open way -- for example, Ben & Jerry's, or Paul Newman's salad dressings, or even Starbucks and Costco.  DKos could do the same thing, but the more I think about it, the more I see Kos heading towards a very middle-of-the-road, DLC, ruffle-no-feathers area.  And that means abandoning the more quirky voices. It means sweeping the more strident among us under the carpet. 

I'm way more moderate than most of the people here at MLW, but I really think there's much more soul here than at those middle-of-the-road blogs, that are all about strategy and electability. And take all the soul out of the movement, and what do you have left?

Nothing.  Just a bunch of consultants.

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.


[ Parent ]
I'm probably another moderate (0.00 / 0)
at least fiscally -- meaning I don't mind spending money as long as it's spent wisely, with plenty of oversight. I believe that you get what you pay for -- if you want quality schools and health care, you've got to be willing to cough up the tax money to cover it, but at the same time, someone needs to keep a close eye on the bastards that they're not wasting it on gold plated toilet seats for their offices. (I used to handle GSA contract orders for a national filing systems company -- I could tell when the government fiscal year end was approaching because I'd see a huge increase in agencies absolutely NEEDING several cases of file folders and a couple of new lateral cabinets, as the "use it or lose it" budgetary provisions kicked in...but that's another story.)

Socially, that's another story -- I want the government and the church out of America's bedrooms and doctor's offices; that's my main philosophy. But again, that's another story.

This place is big enough (I'd say the Tent is Big enough, but that's been co-opted) for a wide variety of opinions...I think we'll both find a place of sorts here...


"Mr. Bush, you do not own this country!" -- Keith Olbermann, 1/2/07


[ Parent ]
"All animals are equal, (9.60 / 5)
but some animals are more equal than others!"

I am probably mangling Orwell's quote from Animal Farm, but I am sure you get the drift.

Maintaining an ideal is a very difficult thing. I lived in Russia for 5 years and got to see first hand the practical results of the Soviet ideal. Markos and the Dkos strike me as a failing ideal.

I don't post much at the Daily Kos, but when I do I post from my heart and my head. I have been a Gore supporter since his recovery from the 2000 election (I also painfully supported him in 2000); I know John Edwards and I don't care for him. When I post, I am consistent and honest in my posts; yet am often attacked as some sort of plant paid by one campaign or another. It is mind boggling to me that it is so difficult in a forum like the Dkos to have an honest discussion about issues and perspectives.

This is my first visit to My Left Wing. I am here because of your above post and the sentiment it expresses (The Dylan title warms my heart as well). I look forward to visiting, participating and learning. Thanks for the invitation! 


Welcome to MLW, demeo. (8.00 / 3)

Rest assured, our paranoia levels are microscopic at this stage in MLW's nascency. Most of our trolls have been the clumsy sort; and if there IS a sneaky operative here, biding his time and sowing seeds of discontent, or gathering information for the day we all get rounded up and sent to GITMO, well, I can only say to him...

"Fuck you, eugene!"

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
Thanks, I am glad to be here! (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Heh (0.00 / 0)
I love you too, Maryscott! :)

[ Parent ]
DKos lost me (10.33 / 6)
the day I found my way to MSOC's blog. About two days after she started it. And I wasn't even around for the freaking Gilligan's Island Pie War.

Not that I was ever a heavy hitter here or there; too little, too late. And not enough time.

This place is just a much better fit for me.

Now, in answer to her actual question: "what makes a Democrat a Democrat?"

I would say:
---refusing to enshrine any essentially religious belief one holds as the law of the land (yes, you can be an anti-choice Democrat. You cannot be a Democrat and insist that people who don't agree with you cannot have an abortion)
---choosing to put the needs of both your constituents and your descendants above the immediate desires of corporations (yup, environment for one thing)
---willingness to learn and admit when you were wrong and work to correct it (ideology must never outweigh actual facts)

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


ummm (0.00 / 0)
don't you mean pro-life/pro-choice here:

"(yes, you can be an anti-choice Democrat. You cannot be a Democrat and insist that people who don't agree with you cannot have an abortion)"

meaning to be pro-life and still insist that the decision is the individual's and no one elses?

-8.88/-7.08... Go ahead, accuse me again of being a rightwing conservative.


[ Parent ]
I was avoiding the term "pro-life" (9.00 / 1)
because AFAIAC, it's bullshit. I have seen very few people who are anti-abortion to the point of insisting that their viewpoint be the law of the land who are truly "pro"-life beyond the mere fact of maintaining existence...and they define that "human" existence as starting when the sperm hits the egg. Then they vote against subsidizing day-care centers so working mothers can afford them, insist that group homes be sited somewhere other than their neighborhoods, and vote for anyone who will screw them over so long as that candidate is "pro-life".

I wrote that post before the coffee had really hit the brain. Your point's a good one...I should have said "an anti-abortion Democrat", though, since every "pro-life" person I've ever run across insists that abortion has to be made illegal.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


[ Parent ]
Don't Know For Sure (9.83 / 6)
But I think I've been banned from the Orange.  Must have been for being in the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

Well, who would want to blog at a site stupid enough to de-list MSOC and My Left Wing.


Mary Scott- On Fame, Fortune and Power (9.80 / 5)
Couple of things I've observed in this Journey of life  that I 'll bet won't happen to you but I have seen happen more times than I can count

1. When fame and fortune comes fast and furious never ever believe your own press. People who do flame out faster than a lit match on a rainy day.

2. "Be careful how you treat the people you meet on the way up, you might see them again on the way down." Very true. Been there. Ouch. 

3. "What goes around comes around"- always. Sometimes you don't get to see the come around but usually you hear about it. 

4. It never fails that when a personality catches the media's fancy when something new and exciting happens that a following turns into a flood and suddenly the subject of the fawning begins to believe, "I am special".

5. Occasionally, with good management and a strong sense of direction that is unique from others, these personalities will last and become part of our culture. But that's the exception, not the rule.

  Most flame out as the magic that once propelled them to heights they never dreamed of doesn't work. Their once best friends - those famous type people don't return calls. They are no longer invited to important gatherings. Suddenly it occurs to someone...this person is  " a flash in the pan".  Maybe Dailykos is special. But I tend to believe this new medium has to have a focal point and Dailykos is it for now.

When the medium mainstreams, as it is starting to do, people will move on. When it starts to become concerned with  what people think of it - the same people it once roundly criticized, I tend to believe a end marker has been laid down. But that's just me.

Stay unique, don't believe your press, don't get mad when people you help turn their backs on you. Help others who in turn will help you. You'll be where you want to be.

You are something special. But I'm just an admirer. Good on you for taking a big breath and starting your own gig and doing well at it. I didn't read DailyKos much until I caught a few of your diaries. You were the draw for me. Sorry I haven't been here more. I'll do better in the future...

For Christ's sake, don't get mad at me...:-)


Reminds me of an article on Brando (0.00 / 0)
by Bud Schulberg
Marlon Brando would not allow anyone in his inner circle to praise him. He hated fame. If someone walked in praising his last performance he would turn them away. (Maybe he enjoyed making all those 14 flops.)

At the end of his life his best friend Harry Dean Stanton would talk with him for hours discussing philosophy, zen, buddhism etc.

One day Brando asked him
"What do you really think of me?"

Stanton replied,
"I think you are nothing, do you hear me NOTHING!!!" and they both laughed and laughed.

To thine own self be true. WS


[ Parent ]
How do I tell you that your diary (8.00 / 5)
was great without being one of
the bizarre followers who tended to email me obsessively and troll rate anyone who dared criticise me at all, who slavishly composed odes of adoration
Ah yeah. I've only sent you a couple of emails.

I think that those are offset by this type who clearly didn't read your post and reacted only to the fact that they don't like you.

me me me me me (1+ / 0-)

Yawn.

"This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

by CaptUnderpants on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:16:09 PM PST

I hope that only the respectful came over to visit with you all here.

You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. - Lee Iacocca

I do not trust Markos or dailykos.com (10.00 / 4)
The censorship on the 2 most important issues in our political life, 9/11 and election irregularities have made me wonder if he is a left gatekeeper for a long time.

More recently I came across an audio podcast where he admits interviewing with the CIA over a period of 6 months for a job as a covert operative. He says that he did not take the job, but if he did, would he tell us?

You can listen to the interview here:
http://www.911podcas...

Very revealing to hear what he says and how he says it.

There is also something about the way he makes a joke about the CIA Assassinating labor leaders that doesn't sit right with me.

Full podcast here:
http://commonwealthc...

Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts on this.


Talk is cheap, (8.33 / 3)
click the
Fairy Blogmother on the left side of the home page.

Good to see you back in fighting form, MaryScott.

If at first you don't suceed, go get stoned.

I found my password (6.50 / 2)
Previously I was on a lab computer. I wrote two emails and came home. All the words in the Kos post and my own replies will be reproduced.

Why is Al Gore such a perfect candidate that Markos must use his pulpit to ask him to run when the netroots has chosen two perfectly acceptable candidates if Gore will not run? Gore's being President and not global-warming advocate does not mean that any Democrat in that office will do nothing about global warming. The diary appears to be about this in part.
[On the way home, I thought that Al Gore cannot be considered everything good and Hillary Clinton everything evil if they would both govern based on the positive lessons they learned from the Clinton administration. Given this, my husband [not a raving leftist] said that he would support Gore in 2008 in a heartbeat because Gore had more executive experience and more independence of mind. He said, "Gore would govern from the center."]

Also, My Left Wing is still on the MyDD blogroll. I would consider this a BBB link.

I don't see Markos supporting Hillary Clinton. I think if he did so the community would arise in open revolt. Hillary Clinton does not have any of the progressive credentials which you can argue that Sherrod Brown has, or even Tammy Duckworth had as far as defeating right-wing talking points. There are enough real netroots candidates who won House and Senate seats that Markos does not have to claim the lost races which Rahm supported for himself.
[The last sentence was confusing. In 2008 as in 2006, Markos does not have to pick up whoever the national Democrats decide to support. There will be enough genuine netroots candidates for Markos to be interested in he may get to ignore the presidential race altogether.]
[I think that Hillary has the option of running as a Jim Webb-style Democrat. All blogs in Left Blogtopia (credit Skippy) have the responsibility to watch over whether what Hillary is putting forward is consistent and makes sense, and whether Hillary can ever be forgiven for having voted for the war. As Markos said all the leading candidates are electable. Dean was sunk because primary voters believed the narrative that he was not electable. This narrative will hurt Hillary more than most of the other candidates. A powerful frame which can be used by any opponent (which Obama certainly does not have to say directly) is that since 2000, Hillary's entire political career has been about getting elected and squelching her villain image. Someone must have unquestionably the best policies to overcome this suspicion that you will never know if they stand for anything.]
[I certainly do not expect any front-pager at DKos to say anything nice about Hillary for as long as the nomination is in doubt. Again, IIRC Markos was neutral in the Hackett/Brown race.] 
I am glad to see MSOC back from the hospital.

I would be delighted to visit MLW more often if it gave the readers a square meal on campaigns and elections (non-GMO tofu, rice, and salad?) with the same consistency that Kos does for real Democrat candidates. But there are too many self-indulgent posts and too many jerks. 

["for real Democrat candidates" is hanging out there. Read: "gave the readers a square meal on campaigns and elections for real Democrat candidates with the same consistency that Kos does." A large reason why MLW should exist is the willingness to address meta-issues about what is taken for granted about the political process. But Markos is not interested in this at all so in the absence of specific campaigns which MLW is getting behind he has little reason to read the blog.]
[Last sentence should be stricken for hypocrisy]

[I am appalled at the number of simply cruel posts on this diary at Kos]

"You cannot take what you have not given, and you must give yourself. You cannot buy the Revolution. You cannot make the Revolution. You can only be the Revolution. It is in your spirit, or it is nowhere."--Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed


I forgot this last point (0.00 / 0)
The Koufax Awards are an excellent way to build traffic. The new policy is that the previous year's winner cannot compete in the category they won in, so Best Blog Community is going to be wide open. (MyDD is my personal frontrunner). The Koufax people are encouraging people to send in emails so that they do not have to check for duplicate IP addresses, so any attempts at vote-counting from posts on the site are going to be hopeless. Possibly when I see what the nominations look like I can know how I can be of help.
MLW should have a good shot at Best Human Equality Blog as well.

(lashon hara)
My husband the raging leftist reacted to the news that Mitt Romney was running with enthusiasm.
(end lashon hara)

 

"You cannot take what you have not given, and you must give yourself. You cannot buy the Revolution. You cannot make the Revolution. You can only be the Revolution. It is in your spirit, or it is nowhere."--Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed


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Re Koufax (0.00 / 0)
Glenn Greenwald has my vote for Best Writing. He had it last year. I don't believe I am up this late either.
There is a very good post on TPMCafe about "Hillary's Foreign Policy" (or lack thereof)

"You cannot take what you have not given, and you must give yourself. You cannot buy the Revolution. You cannot make the Revolution. You can only be the Revolution. It is in your spirit, or it is nowhere."--Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed

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Please explain why you support Obama. (8.00 / 1)
And please limit your response to substantive peices of legislation he passed in the US Senate.  Do not cite passages from the books he claims to have authored, and do not discuss subjective responses to the image he and his handlers have crafted.  I also ask you to not base your support on hypotheticals.  In other words, rely on facts.

If you are unable to respond, I understand completely.  thanks.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.


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thanks for the chuckle... (0.00 / 0)
...and who's this bobby rindell person when he's at home?


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Bobby Jindal (8.00 / 1)
is a Republican Congressman who represents the first district of Louisiana, or the North Shore and other white flight suburbs of New Orleans.  He plans to run for Governor in 2007, and he ostensibly converted to Christianity from Hinduism a few years back.  He is a disgusting Republican who must be stopped.  Regarding his life at home, I know nothing.  Perhaps he beats his wife.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

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you fucking slay me, lg (6.50 / 2)
Converted from Hinduism?  Really?

How fascinating to a student of religion such as myself.

Was his conversion a bare-naked pander, in your opinion? 

If so, he must outlandishly crass and buffoonish; as if he realized the electorate has become so servile that he doesn't even need to wear the mask to cover up his lizard head, as most of them at least feign efforts to do so.

Fun times.



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A pander, (6.00 / 1)
and he even cited it as one of the most decisive moments of his life when engaging in the gubernatorial debates in 2003.  but has he done anything for anyone since katrina?  of couse not.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.

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Easier than you would think (0.00 / 0)
Here is Obama's page showing all the legislation he is proud of passing.
In the last Senate, Obama had to work with conservative Republicans to get anything done. Examples of such legislation are the Obama-Lugar legislation to assist allies in finding and interdicting weapons of mass destruction and the Coburn-Obama legislation for greater disclosure of federal contracts.
Obama proposals in other legislation which was passed:
Some provisions on earmark disclosure are in the ethics reform package passed by the Senate this year.
Provisions on guidelines for nuclear plants to keep track of spent fuel are in the Nuclear Security Act of 2005.

"Senator Obama offered three amendments that were included in the Senate [immigration] bill. The first amendment would strengthen the requirement that a job be offered at a prevailing wage to American workers before it is offered to a guestworker. The second amendment would make it simple, but mandatory, for employers to verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States. And the third amendment would authorize $3 million a year for the FBI to improve the speed and accuracy of the background checks required for immigrants seeking to become citizens."

"Barack Obama's first bill as a U.S. Senator was the HOPE Act (Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act) which would help make college more affordable for many Americans. The bill would increase the maximum Pell Grant from the current limit of $4,050 to a new maximum of $5,100." This didn't pass, but is heartwarming.

There is much more which Obama introduced, but did not pass.

These summaries show that Obama can get to key details about an issue and has studied the issues of WMD and ethics and fairness in government which will be extremely important to clean up the mess Bush has left us.

This
is the MyDD interview with Obama from last week. Unless a handler is sitting next to Obama feeding him the answers or he has them memorized, you see a smart, personable, idealistic, perceptive guy there.

This may be a matter of image, but I think that Obama can take "the politics of meaning" the way Michael Lerner originally meant it and capture it in a bottle. This is why I cheer madly when I read all his statements.

At this very early point no one knows who the best candidate will be, even though we can agree it is not Hillary. In response to MSOC's comment about YKos I thoroughly expect Obama to show up since it is Chicago and everything and he will have supporters to speak to. Anyone who remembers Iowa in 2004 knows that crowning anybody before anyone has voted on anything flunks Reality-Based Community 101. I am hoping that YKos turns into a cattle call because then I can take my husband to all the speeches and he won't have to go to the crazy blogger panels he is not into.

"You cannot take what you have not given, and you must give yourself. You cannot buy the Revolution. You cannot make the Revolution. You can only be the Revolution. It is in your spirit, or it is nowhere."--Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed


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While I'm not at present supporting Obama.... (0.00 / 0)
his Illinois Senate record is the source on my most positive vibes.

Democrat for US Senate, 2006 and  2012. (Wisconsin)



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Those who forget history. . . (10.75 / 8)
I gotta say, I read every word and was absolutely floored.

I drift by dKos every once in a while and fall into the temptation to leave the random comment here and there when the discourse isn't completely abominable. But it doesn't take long to get the sense of the place as increasingly a bubbling stew of overblown ego and self-adoration - to such a degree that I just cannot stand it for long.

And most may not find it a bother, but the whole cultish "kossack" label. . . I've always found that entirely too creepy. Never thought much of the man slapping his name on everything related to the blog. Just reeks too much of cynical self-promotion. A guy created a freaking website. Anyone can do it, he just happened to get in on the ground floor. As if somehow that makes one person's views more significant than anyone else's? puh-leeze. I can't help but picture the puffy-chested acne-encrusted kid strutting with superiority because he was first in line to see Star Wars. I'm also oddly reminded of a particularly sociopathic girlfriend I used to have whose walls were covered with photos - all of herself. But that's another nightmare.

This is what happens when the insurgents become the establishment. It's a sick conundrum. People struggle for clout to actually make a difference, and then once clout is attained it suddenly becomes the end in itself instead of the means to achieve that original difference. It's the same preservation of power disease that has destroyed  progressivism in recent years and which has made DC the useless cesspool of self-interest it is.

I take no pleasure in saying it, but dKos has simply become a corrupt vehicle for certain individual ambitions. Movement, my ass. And Markos isn't alone. The BBB, as MSOC so aptly describes them, have become sucked into their celebrity "political player" status. And the elitism that inevitably follows is exactly the source of this recent blogroll purge, whether they like to admit it or not.

They have become the very "Kewl Kids" they used to ridicule in the MSM. 

Well crap. . .  I can't continue with this. Even with the thoughts and comments swirling about at 1000 mph in my head. It's just too disappointing. I find myself with less and less stomach for it every day.

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."


agreed (10.78 / 9)
Really, in the end, what it comes down to?

To whom much is given, much is demanded.

From each according to his gifts, to each according to his needs.

With great power comes great responsibility.

Kos' problem, as many have remarked, is not that he's a businessman, it's that he's too small a person to want to be more than a businessman.

That's not his fault; I suppose it just reveals a weakness of character he can't be blamed for.

And yet, sorry, Jack, why not step up and do the right thing?

If not you, who? 

Why settle for mediocrity like a garden-variety politician?  (Excuse the redundancy.)

It breaks my heart to see so much power squandered, pissed away because he'd rather not do the hard work of pushing himself for the common good by remaining authentic and mindful of his power and potential.

I know we all have a tendency towards self-satisfaction, and fortunately, that  self-satisfaction is for most of us tempered by the fact that our influence is limited.

But once your influence is not limitied, once it's our of your hands, isn't it only right that you rise to the challenge?

Why are we so willing to give so many people so much slack when it comes to matters of great concern?

Why have so many of us become so comfortable being guided by mediocrity?

What's wrong with demanding that those with power cultivate and sharpen their vision?

The stakes are high.

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guided by mediocrity (9.67 / 3)
When I found dkos, what I now know is the mediocrity, was new and exciting, kinda like a first or second date with someone new. Like most infatuations the allure has faded over time. I always stayed out of the metacrap mainly because it bored me more than any other reason, and because it's just plain fugly.

  This latest round of metacrap is just the reason I needed to start my exodus from there. When I did a diary that had over 60 or 70 recs, and still it wasn't put on the rec list, I finally realized that I would never be totally "a part of". I was given tons of excuses about algorithms and such that were pure bullshit. The same diary was given a rescue that was against the rules, and talked about how great it was for days in other diarys. Yet, the subject matter must have rubbed markos wrong, because by his own rules it should of been promoted automatically. That or he decided to punish me for for one of my more controversial diarys that had many comments but was for the most part misread and the attack puppys came after me.

  I had given up writing diarys for the most part as of late because of the above reasons and that caused me to resent what I had thought was a "democratically run" blog. MSOCs rant last night talked so much about a lot of what I had been feeling lately, that I even pumped my fist in air a few times while yelling to my cats " you go girl!".

Anyway, for those of you I haven't met yet, I hope to become "a part of" MLW. I look forward to learning more about all of you, but bear with me, it will take some time. For those of you who do know my screenname I hope you will help me find my way around. My apologys if you read this whole comment, it ran a bit longer than is my habit.

 

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you already are a part of mlw (9.00 / 3)
We don't haze or anything.

Well, ok, of course we must, inasmuch as it's human nature to do so, but certainly not for the sake of crass exclusion or anything.

Welcome to mlw, Dom, and say hi to your kitty-cats for me.

:)

Oh, and as to the length of your comment?  That's nothing.  Take the time you need to express yourself. 

You want to see long comments, go talk to Lilian.



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Lot's of new peoples posting comments here (6.75 / 4)
I like that!

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

Lurker (9.43 / 7)
MSOC, read your diary at Dkos; think I'll lurk here for a while.  I think I like you.

I am so glad that I read your diary over at dkos (9.25 / 8)
because it led me here.  I have now found a new (for me) and totally cool blog.  Dkos was getting old...in fact, you could say it was growing a beard. 

MSOC (9.14 / 7)
is correct: DailyKos is an organ for the DLC.  Notice how almost all the netroots candidates for which he advocates are now members of the NDC, the Congressional outlet for the DLC.  And notice his hostility for Cegelis, who was the true netroots candidate in Illinois 06.  The cultural left is of no interest to Kos and those who mindlessly follow him: a cache of guaranteed votes, he and the people for whom he writes know we will appear at the polls. 

Hunter and Big Tent Democrat are trying to do everything in their power to dupe Kos readers.  Why they are so committed to this cause is pretty obvious, but I will not type my comments here.  Instead, I want everyone here to know how pitiful these sycophants inherently are.

We should engage in action and mobilization, and all of us should outwit and outwrite the terrible diarists at Kos.  We should also support candidates who are waging primaries against members of the DLC. 

I thank MSOC for highlighting the various contradictions sustaining Kos's identity and bankroll.  I also want to thank those who engaged in debate with the various drones who responded negatively to MSOC's diary.  Let us show Kos and those who support who the real activists are.  Let us show them what the Left is truly capable of accomplishing.

Learn more about Bobby Jindal.


Hi there (9.50 / 4)
Couldn't think of another title, sorry. But with over 1000+ comments at dKos, I figured my tiny contribution would be noticed here easier than there.

Was just looking at my page -- the last diary I had here was back in November of 2005. I didn't dare look to see when my last comment was -- that was reminder enough that it's been a damn long time since I've been over here.

Think I'll be spending a bit more time here, and a bit less time over at dKos, so at least you'll get my meager clicks a few times a day (when I'm avoiding housework). I won't give up completely and write the obligatory GBCW diary, or even the FUDK diary (neither one would likely be noticed anyway -- I'm barely on the outer fringes of the Kool Kidz); I'm already paid up for YearlyKos, and I'm helping out with the Tag Cleanup Project just because I'm anal enough to care. I want to see if YearlyKos is just an extension of dKos, or if it's truly something more, something greater than the sum of the parts. Perhaps after YKos, I'll have a better idea.

I'm still trying to figure out my place in the grand plan to restore sanity to this country; I know there has to be something more than just sitting at the computer and tearing my hair out at the latest Bush misAdministration policy. Someday, I hope to find out where it is...

Peace, and hope, and all that other mushy stuff that keeps some of us progressives going...


"Mr. Bush, you do not own this country!" -- Keith Olbermann, 1/2/07


never liked dKos anyway (9.43 / 7)
Which is why I came here not long after MLW was created.

dKos had interesting articles, but it was clear that in order to be deemed worthy of commenting one had to be able to wave around a bunch of credentials and produce charts & graphs - and to diary  - I was quickly ridiculed for being a nut and/or ranting, and derided for my failure to provide statistics and research sources (like I give a shit) - when what I wanted to do was talk about subjective experience and perception. Plus, people were outrageously mean there - not to make a point but just because they could be dicks if they felt like it - so there was always this ritual hazing going on. I would have always been an outsider. Who has the time for that bullshit?

MSOC had such a unique and honest voice that I wanted to be part of this place. The best aspects of MLW are the honest, heartfelt exchanges with living, breathing people who have something to say. I hope this continues to be a place where most people show their better natures and treat each other kindly and with respect for diversity of opinion.

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"...who have something to say." (7.00 / 3)
Amazing how much talking people can do without saying anything, isn't it?

I mean, blather is fine, silliness is fine, small talk is fine, but it just often seems so empty, you know?  So...so...so much like high school.

So many opinions, so little to say.

Kind of sad, actually.


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Dkos-laughing all the way to the [blank]. (9.00 / 2)

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the first shard to fall from that house of cards over there at dissKos was a mass exodus due to this blogroll purge?

Just sayin'...

Sure are a lot of people posting here, all saying something along the lines of "OH!!! Well!!! It WAS getting a little...lockstep over there."

I am expecting some sort of face saving backpedal from the Little King fairly soon. But he does not save face easily.

Whadda PREDICAMENT!!!

LOL

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


ha ha hah ah ahah ah ah ha hah !!! (7.00 / 1)
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the first shard to fall from that house of cards over there at dissKos was a mass exodus due to this blogroll purge?

ha ha hah ah aha ha ah ah ah ah

h ahah ah ha !

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(Takes a rare bow...) (7.00 / 1)

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa

[ Parent ]
I love this blog (9.00 / 2)
keep on keepin on

dKos (9.00 / 5)
i recently discovered MLW, and love it!
i read dKos for awhile about a year ago,
but never got excited about it,
and removed it from my bookmarks
after it was clear Kos was more impressed with himself
than progressive politics.
wear 'being removed' as a badge of honor.

Consumers or Constituents (9.50 / 4)
It's awfully late for me, but your diary caught my eye on Dkos and I couldn't stop reading. Now I feel a certain obligation to respond; to attempt to add something useful to this discussion.

Before reading your diary, I was of the mind that Dkos is the property of Marcos and that he has every right to define "his" blogroll as he sees fit. Call it the private property and property rights perspective. Blogroll as private asset.

As a reader who clicks through from stories and diaries, I really didn't understand the potential economic impact of the blogroll let alone it's significance in identifying the various players in the blogosphere.

More: I recall that the FAQ and dKosopedia are filled with references to community. As a TU, I do a fair amount of tag cloud clean-up; it's my contribution to that community.  I often describe DailyKos as a kind of netroots commons. 

I think that we are seeing a playing out of the tension between these two constructs: private site where we are consumers, as opposed to netroots commons where we are stakeholders or constituents or some version of tenants in common.  Just how are we defining User? Am I making sense? I'll check back in the morning.

BTW: what do you suppose would be the impact of personal blogrolls in user sig lines? I noticed a few people are linking to MLW (and others) in their posts. Does Googlebombing work that way?


precisely (10.00 / 7)
Something I'd urge you to consider.  You write:

Before reading your diary, I was of the mind that Dkos is the property of Marcos and that he has every right to define "his" blogroll as he sees fit. Call it the private property and property rights perspective. Blogroll as private asset.

There's "right" and then there's "right," you know?

Just because someone has a legal right to something doesn't mean they have the moral right.

I really cringe at the formula I keep hearing, "Well, it's kos' site..."

That begs the question.

No one disputes this, rather, we're suggesting he has higher moral obligations to consider.

A) As a human being and B) As a human being with a tremendous amount of power, influence.

This sort of American idolatry is responsible for so many of society's problems. 

The cult of the entrepreneur.

His success becomes interpreted as proof of virtue, of God's favor.

It's the Protestant Work Ethic, yet again.

Just because he's "successful" doesn't mean he's owed any more slack than anyone else.

He has to actually be virtuous.

Fame and success is not the mark of virtue.

No reason to fawn on those who've attained it and in fact, it's our moral duty as concerned citizens and human beings not to do so.



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You expand upon my argument (0.00 / 0)
and I appreciate and agree with your thinking, which connects to my sense of the blogsite as commons. But your comment reads as if you didn't read all of mine. Do I misunderstand?

[ Parent ]
apologies (0.00 / 0)
I did read it and had nothing really to add (because I think we're on the same page) other than to amplify what I took to be the spirit of your comment.

Cheers!

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Thank you MSOC (9.33 / 6)
Before even reading this thread, I want to thatnk you, as I should have thanked marisacat and madman in the marketplace and theoria and many others for speaking truth to power...

Hey - it ain't like Amy Goodman calling out Clinton when she had him on the air... but it's whatever blogoshere metaphor that evokes that.

I'm done with DKos. I'm done with the fratboys. I'm done with the thuggishness that gives the thuggi movement a bad name.

I'm out.

Fuck 'em.


"time in a bottle" & Jim Croce (9.20 / 5)
I just joined My Left Wing.  The trail to here feels very odd.  I used to read MSOC's comments @ DKos.  Many things changed over there because of the N=115,000 & other growth stuff.

The "stuff" around Big Tent Democrat was part of my decision to stop logging in & simply lurk.  It seemed people were Googling my comments & attempting to rat out my ID--which could be very destructive.  Also, my comments were attracting unwanted attention from a weird type of nay-sayers who had low ID numbers (some lower than mine) who would jump in & hijack a thread off to the spelling & grammar & factcheck stuff.  I read the orange peel today & it was very clear that the DiaryPolice had diverted at least 4 major threads into off-topic, moronic drivel.

They banned me at TPM & DU because of my posts about Central Asia, the military & Plame + Brewster-Jennings.  FDL did not ban my posts, but chastised me on several occasions because of my views.  I tried some local (hometown) blogs & they are so BAAAAD in writing quality, mental horsepower & the disgusting psychosis of the trolls, that it's hopeless---going, gone, went.

I also peruse & comment at a specific candidate's website.  What a nightmare.  The kewlkids are almost like a kult---nearly deranged in a form of hero-worship---scary folks.

I drifted over here because MSOC can be seen as a potty-mouthed rabble-rouser who tires of the endless blather about conventional wisdom.  Besides, she's got brains, beauty & a blog.  Also, it became clear that some writers of considerable skill are posting here.  I don't know if my stuff will contribute, but your various comments & threads seem to make a type of "collective" sense that offers hope.

I am somewhat similar to MSOC, but waaaaaaaaay older.  In terms of DKos, however, yeah! I'm just like Maryscott.  Only older.  And kinda' raqgedy.  And wrinkled.  And gray/grey.  And cranky.  And librrrrrul!

DailyKos: moths to a flame.  Pffffffftttttttt.


Revelation!!!!!!!!!! (10.00 / 2)
I rarely think I have great thoughts, even thoughts that rate as good, but in a reply to blogmom this morning I stream of conscious penned this, and thought..."Fuck I may be on to something here!"

So, I'm gonna toss it out here, let it bounce around and see if anyone else thinks it has validity.

I think there will be fallout from dKos.  If you owned Publisher's Clearing House would you suddenly start carrying only three magazines?  If you owned Sears would you drop all your inventory to only carry argyle socks?

He is losing the clearing house effect, and I think its time that the smaller blogs must find some type of unity, so they can maintain some sort of broad "netroots"  base.

**snip**

We shall see, but I think you came out the better for it.  I hope there is a general strike (for a while, until you need the hits) of crossposting writers from list-booted blogs.  See how they do with kos writing most of the pieces.  heh.

Yes, I admitted the last part was bitchy on my part in the email, but my ass is still kind of burnt from the 1200ish comments there last night, some of which were scathing.

I truly believe he will lose the "center of hub" status he so desperately clings to, by alienating so many people.

But the onus is on us to interact, exchange and support eachother in the real liberal bases to be able to influence change in this country.


Hey Lady -- (7.00 / 3)
I like Argyle socks (best Jim Gaffigan impression).

I like your riff.  It ought to be a call to action diary -- I'd recommend -- but, oh yeah, I've been bannded at Kos for daring to insist that he's become an asshole backstabber unwilling to address the issue personally.

Oh well -- autocracy is as autocracy does.


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Joe.. (9.00 / 3)
I am stunned and amazed I have not been banned yet.  I troll-rated some of the fucksnot meanest posts last night, and called Hunter down that MLW has ALWAYS (one day does not a trend make you asswipe) been a kos-bashing site....

and as of the moment I still have TU status.

**falls out of chair***

Thump.  LOL.


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Use it well (7.33 / 3)
I have never troll rated a soul -- and never been troll rated in my life.

But some things just not ought to be said -- unless you are Armando or Big Tent D or Hunter or Kos himself.

It is a really bad model of governance for an emerging player in Democratic party politics.  Really bad.  Like frightenlingly bad.

Anyway.  Kudos to you and MSOC and others who have spoken out on this BS so strongly.  Really.  Courage to stand up and call a spade a spade.

Hope you can keep on giving it to them.

I was just about to write a No-Clicks-For-Kos strike diary.  Re-instate them or no clicks on Monday and Tuesday.  Visit you local/small blog all day.  And re-assess Wednesday.  And pimp it around smaller blogs and at Kos.  The guy ought to understand he can't treat his membership with disdain.

But getting turned off just makes me feel like tuning it all out.  I'm sure he'll get his on the way back down.  Usually works out that way.


[ Parent ]
bj -- you seriously got your account cut off? (11.00 / 2)
I can't see any hidden comments with your name on them, and no zero rates in your comment list....so it wasn't auto-ban.

If you wanna write those diaries -- I'll post 'em for you, I don't give a rat's ass about posting at dKos or not...just let me know!

Hey, did I hear your second book is done? I want it!! (And I'll even *pay* for my copy this time! lol)

Glad to see you 'round the tubes!
(((BJ))))

Never miss a good chance to shut up.
~~T e x a s B i x B e n d e r, from "Don't Squat with Yer Spurs On"


[ Parent ]
Yeah (9.00 / 2)
I'm done there.  No reason given.  None needed.

Thanks for the offer to post -- no real interest here.

Book done -- publisher considering.  No great expectations on my part.  Could be a long wait.  But I'll keep you posted.


[ Parent ]
if you want -- email me the name of (0.00 / 0)
your publisher and I'll flood them with queries about when the next book is coming out....is it the same publisher as the first book?

And hey, if ya want, I'll pay to read the unpublished manuscript! ;)

And that's always an idea, you know, if the publisher doesn't come to his/her senses: convert that bad boy into a PDF and have people pay a nominal fee to read it online...I have always wanted to set something up like that, with both regular, linear writing and non-linear hyperlinked multi-media text....

anyway, I'm yappin' gotta do some diss. writing today -- shoot me an email sometime, t., if I don't hear from you, I'll go find your addy and shoot you one this weekend!

Never miss a good chance to shut up.
~~T e x a s B i x B e n d e r, from "Don't Squat with Yer Spurs On"


[ Parent ]
Oh (9.00 / 1)
I'll find a way to get it distributed.  It is just a slow process.

I'll look for an e-mail.  Sounds good.


[ Parent ]
Hey 5er... (0.00 / 0)
that's the way it goes in big box blog land. But of course you know this. ;)

BJ, sorry you got banned, but is it worth all this? All this drama and angst? It's always been a business to Markos and company, nothing surprising that he needs to make sure anything appearing on Kos Media LLC is safe for his advertisers. Links included.

Why not just move on and start, or join, your own progressive community site. A lot of us http://everybodycome...
">ex-BooTribbers just did. Come on over and say hello... and post on this site, it's the farthest to the left of any of the scoop-based sites.

There's a war raging in the ME, people are dying & disappearing, and Bush is still in office. All this meta pales in comparison to that. Markos is the DNC. The DNC does not represent the left. Treat him like that.

btw, good to see you!

Jaded Reality... freedom is just another word for, nothing left to lose


[ Parent ]
oops (0.00 / 0)
link didn't work...

http://everybodycome...


Jaded Reality... freedom is just another word for, nothing left to lose


[ Parent ]
yeah, spidey -- I know it! ;) (0.00 / 0)
Are you going to make an annocement about ECFS here or are we gonna wait until we migrate everything over to the new space?

Email me, k?

Never miss a good chance to shut up.
~~T e x a s B i x B e n d e r, from "Don't Squat with Yer Spurs On"


[ Parent ]
Yeah (11.00 / 1)
I shouldn't be so dramatic.

I've been to the site.  It is bookmarked right next to MLW.  I'm trying to become a lurker again, but just got my blood boiling over all this.


[ Parent ]
Venture Capitolists & Huffington Post (8.00 / 3)
But the onus is on us to interact, exchange and support eachother in the real liberal bases to be able to influence change in this country.

The smaller blogs can, collectively, made a much bigger noise than can one orange slice. People are leaving there in droves and have been for some while.

MLW is the definitive site for the far left. It's golden. As Peeder said in his diary, to make a living from blogging is a fools errand, unless it's underwritten by big money. But even at that, venture capitolists would be taking huge risks.

Unless you're Huffington Post:

"Now is the time to generate our own original content," Ms. Huffington said. "It was always our intention, once we had the money, to hire people to do reporting."

Softbank Capital, a venture capital group, invested $5 million in the site earlier this year. Ms. Huffington said she planned to hire investigative reporters as well as a multimedia team to do video reports and wanted to make the site more interactive.

Perhaps Kos is considering courting the venture capitolists? Who knows? HuffPo is on his blogroll?

But I don't think Kos has the clout Arianna has in DC and his hired FP'ers will never be able to compete with Huff's intention of hiring real investigative reporters.

"I tire of this banal chat...now is the time on Sprockets when we dance." ~Dieter/SNL


[ Parent ]
he also (6.00 / 1)
doesn't have the charisma she has.  I've seen her on tv & she has presence (like Maryscott does)

Much food for thought here Sweet...that may indeed be part of the restructuring game.


[ Parent ]
Yeah, I smell bucks...lol (9.00 / 2)
Much food for thought here Sweet...that may indeed be part of the restructuring game.

Gotta get rid of the "riff-raff" doncha know.

"I tire of this banal chat...now is the time on Sprockets when we dance." ~Dieter/SNL


[ Parent ]
Diane (9.00 / 1)
I think its time that the smaller blogs must find some type of unity, so they can maintain some sort of broad "netroots"  base.

It's already happening.  My comment above apparently started something big.  Stay tuned.

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[ Parent ]
Simply Stated.......... (9.75 / 4)
Kos is a fucking tool.

He's a user. There's no other word for someone that uses people to boost his own inflated sense of self-worth, and then dumps them when he feels they no longer serve a purpose.

I know the poll isn't up anymore, but I now consider myself a MLW whore and I'm proud of it ;)

"Con" is the opposite of "Pro", so Congress must be the opposite of Progress


I've thought DKOs has been going down hill for. (9.00 / 2)
A long time.  From before his dissing of Cegelis and fawning of Duckworth.  This kind of proves it.

I promise to view your site more often.


you just fell off the recommended.. (8.00 / 2)
list at DKOS with over 1000 comments.  I wonder if it was intentional?

What Liberals Can Learn from Conservatives (9.50 / 4)
I already posted this on skippy's diary and am posting it here as well in case anyone missed it:

I hope you don't mind a few words from a "reasonable conservative." When Skippy and I first wrote about this issue no one else had written anything about it, except to say they thought it was a great idea to cull their blogrolls and throw people off. No one seemed to see anything itonic or Orwellian in the use of the word "Amnesty" to describe letting oneself off the hook from feeling guilty about what amounts to insulting and cutting off traffic to other blogs. No one dared question Atrios or Kos about it.
I was never on either of their blogrolls (although I am on MLW's--thank you Maryscott) so I wasn't personally affected by this blogroll bloodletting. But I found it odd that so many major liberal blogs have such an un-liberal and un-democratic attitude toward smaller blogs.

Conservatives have a much different attitude toward linking. They all link to each other, smaller and bigger blogs alike. In addition they have formed linking communities that give all the members a huge number of links automatically. This raises their Page Rank rating in Google and their rankings on Technorati and Truth Laid Bear. So when anyone does a search on an issue, conservative blogs tend to come up first in the search. This is the way the Internet works and it is frankly a little shocking that conservatives seem to realize this and many liberals don't.

Also when a major conservative blog links to a smaller blog it helps validate and nurture that blog. It says that even smaller blogs are an important part of the community and that community is not dominated by a few elites.

By contrast most major liberal blogs (MLW being an exception) link to the same select few. And those few are not the most diverse group in the world. Affirmative action apparently doesn't apply to cyberspace.

For a long time I have had a blogroll policy where I will link to anyone who links to me, regardless of traffic stats or ideology. That's because I thought the purpose of the Internet is to foster debate between a wide variety of people not disseminate the pronouncements of an elite few.

Here is a link to my own piece about the issue, which Skippy also linked to above:
http://jonswift.blog...

And if there is anyone who doesn't mind having a reasonable conservative on his or her blogroll and wants to link to me, I would be most happy to reciprocate. Just email me at modestjonswift@yahoo.com.


Capitalist Troll (10.00 / 1)
well, thar she blows MSOC!

kos has revealed himself to be what he's always been: a quick buck operative milking whatever is at his disposal.

but kos destroys his own credibility best by himself, so i don't need to go off on him. dk is on its way out and kos can pocket his profit and go back to being the republican whore he's always been.

but i have to say that i had problems with your diary. first off, i hope you're feeling better and perhaps this diary was a way to purge, but you should have sat on this for a few days. there's too much vitrol and the word "fucking' doesn't add emphasis after the 30th time.

there was a lot of "me" in the diary and a lot of conflating your importance with dk, which just sounded...i dunno. i also don't thnk it's fair for  you to say you stopped reading comments after 70. you expect others to read your very long winding diary but not the comments you inspire? i read them all.

i just don't think it sounds well when you list off your popularity as if that's the magic key to staying on the kos blogroll. there was a lot of wounded ego in the diary, and i think your ego is better than that. you don't need kos anymore. he doesn't need anyone except for chevron -- not exxon.

dk is imploding as kos has removed any vestiges of his bullshit people power principle in favor of...what exactly? more ads i guess. kos is going to find it difficult to get the big boys and girls to sit at his table with his  smug dismissal of things he doesn't understand. who would want kos as their role model for anything besides the ability to make a quick buck?

you'll survive fine.


Upstaging? (10.50 / 2)
I keep thinking of Bob Dylan taking Joan Baez to England with him and then refusing to allow her on the stage with him once they got there. He was 'ascared' of having her upstage him/ he didn't want to be identified with her more folksy genre of music anymore, whatever. I think he has expressed regret, I'll have to check my DVD "No Direction Home" again for the source.

Joan Baez got a great song out of it, "Diamonds and Rust."

Betrayal hurts.


To thine own self be true. WS


That was clearly an 11+ (0.00 / 0)
Peace

... (5.00 / 1)
Don't come around here much -- or other blogs for that matter because I feel blogging isn't proactive enough, by and large -- and I rarely if ever go back over to DK. That's largely because I realized long ago that they are not on my side. They are not anti-corporate, anti-authoritarian and don't have much of a sense of history outside of mainstream politics (ie, no sense of socialist and anarchist history).

So, I just want to say one thing as a total outsider: Amen.




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