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Rick, Amanda and Melissa: Defending Free Speech

by: liberalamerican

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 19:58:49 PM PST






The controversy over John Edwards' campaign bloggers Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, because it reminds me of a similar incident that occurred during the memorial service after the sudden, tragic deaths of Paul and Sheila Wellstone. At the service, Rick Kahn, one of the Wellstones' closest friends, gave a fiery, heartfelt stem-winder that sounded uncannily like Paul was speaking through him. Then all hell broke loose.



liberalamerican :: Rick, Amanda and Melissa: Defending Free Speech


Parts of the speech urged people to carry on the Wellstones' ideals and to continue to work hard to elect Walter Mondale, who had replaced Paul on the ballot for United States Senator as a last-minute substitute. Rick also pointedly called out some politicians by name, some of them Republicans, and asked if they would continue to support the ideals and legislation some of them had worked on with the Wellstones. There was little question Rick's remarks could be seen as "partisan" and "political," but this was, after all, the funeral of a politician.

Kahn had no sooner finished than the Republican attack dogs, their bloodlines stretching back to the McCarthy era, began putting their well-trained skills to use. A loud cry of "Foul!" erupted, saying that since the service was conducted on local television, the speech was partisan and Republicans deserved equal time. One local GOP commentator even tried to make the ridiculous charge that the closed caption texts of the speeches broadcast during the memorial service (the Wellstones' always insisted on having a translator present for the deaf at all events) gave secret signals to the crowd.

When the reporters went looking for Democrats to defend or at least explain the speech, nobody answered the door. The phones kept ringing or were taken off the hook. Instead, party representatives apologized for the speech, saying they didn't know what the speaker was going to say. Mondale was left twisting in the wind, as a certain Republican said about Watergate.

Only the old warhorse himself, Walter Mondale -- perhaps the last true liberal to run for president -- dared give a measured response that entitled Kahn his moment of grief. The Democrats could have taken a cue from Mondale to go on the offensive. Were the same Republicans who wanted to put a policeman in our offices, living rooms, and bedrooms now going to put one in our coffins? Are not funerals the one occasion where people, especially those grieving the most, are allowed some latitude in what they say and do?

The Republicans had given the Democrats a wonderful opportunity to draw a real contrast between the two parties: one which believed in staying out of people's personal lives and another which was determined that everyone should conform to Jerry Falwell's standards of behavior. Certainly Wellstone himself or Mondale's mentor, Hubert Humphrey, would not have flinched at this flat pitch thrown squarely across the center of the plate.
But the Democrats did flinch, watching the ball land with a rounding strike three bellowing from the umpire's lips. Their gubernatorial candidate, Roger Moe, seemed embarrassed by the whole thing as if he hoped it would go away.

The Edwards campaign had a similar opportunity in the case of Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan. Like Rick Kahn, both suddenly heard the snarls of the old GOP attack dogs snapping at their heels. Given the always available platform of the Raucous Right, these two suddenly found themselves being figuratively burned at the stake, mainly by a right-wing Catholic religious group whose head, William A. Donohue, has an uncanny ability to get himself on television where he utters inanities such as, ""Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular ...Hollywood likes anal sex."

The political reasons for Donohue's diatribe against Marcotte and McEwan are blatantly transparent. The anti-abortion zealots have found that their issue holds no traction for most Americans -- if it ever did. So far it has been a nonissue or minor issue for both Democratic and Republican presidential candidates. Both Marcotte and McEwan have passionately defended a woman's right to choose. So when Edwards chose them here was a chance to once again try to force the abortion issue onto center stage. And the mainstream media fell right into the trap.

When Amanda Marcotte resigned this morning, it brought things full circle for me and I thought of Walter Mondale. Like Mondale, Marcotte had been left to twist in the wind, with no one from the Democratic Party defending her. Her post announcing this is worth quoting at length because it raises some of the mots basic questions one can raise in a democracy:


I was hired by the Edwards campaign for the skills and talents I bring to the table, and my willingness to work hard for what's right. Unfortunately, Bill Donohue and his calvacade of right wing shills don't respect that a mere woman like me could be hired for my skills, and pretended that John Edwards had to be held accountable for some of my personal, non-mainstream views on religious influence on politics (I'm anti-theocracy, for those who were keeping track). Bill Donohue-anti-Semite, right wing lackey whose entire job is to create non-controversies in order to derail liberal politics-has been running a scorched earth campaign to get me fired for my personal beliefs and my writings on this blog.

Regardless, it was creating a situation where I felt that every time I coughed, I was risking the Edwards campaign. No matter what you think about the campaign, I signed on to be a supporter and a tireless employee for them, and if I can't do the job I was hired to do because Bill Donohue doesn't have anything better to do with his time than harass me, then I won't do it. I resigned my position today and they accepted.

Like the Minnesota Democrats, the Edwards' campaign flat out blew it. That is too bad because Edwards had shown signs that he knew how to recover the Democrats' lost moral compass-the value of the level playing field. Edwards' statement needs to be repeated:


The tone and the sentiment of some of Amanda Marcotte's and Melissa McEwan's posts personally offended me. It's not how I talk to people, and it's not how I expect the people who work for me to talk to people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that kind of intolerant language will not be permitted from anyone on my campaign, whether it's intended as satire, humor, or anything else. But I also believe in giving everyone a fair shake. I've talked to Amanda and Melissa; they have both assured me that it was never their intention to malign anyone's faith, and I take them at their word. We're beginning a great debate about the future of our country, and we can't let it be hijacked. It will take discipline, focus, and courage to build the America we believe in.

To begin, Edwards admits he had not read either Pandagon or Shakespeare's Sister before hiring Marcotte and McEwan. As one HST once said, "The buck stops here." If a candidate does not check more carefully or have his staff check more carefully on such key appointments, we wander dangerously close to Bush-Reagan Land.

However, this oversight can perhaps be excused, just as can the issue of whether someone should have read Rick Kahn's speech. We'll give a new campaign in the midst of gearing up its efforts the benefit of the doubt.

What remains a great deal more troubling is the fundamental issue-perhaps as fundamental as any right we have-free speech. Both Pandagon and Shakespeare's Sister did not attain their status as blogs by writing potty-mouthed trash. Both have been recognized by their fellow bloggers through awards, nominations and other honors as two of the more literate blogs on the Net.

I have to ruefully admit I am not a regular reader, but what I have read on both blogs resembles nothing like the portrait of these two women being painted by even the mainstream press, which has a nasty habit of dissing blogs before they have all the facts. To verify my memory I went through the archives of both and found some excellent writing coupled with stimulating commentary. Yes, there were some words in a very small number of posts that might not pass the mythical NBC censor and yes there were some angry posts that reminded me of Rick Kahn's anger.

But that is not the issue. Since when has it become wrong in this country to express anger? And why is it OK for Limbaugh, O'Reilly and company to talk like barflies and not for anyone on the left to utter anything not in perfect English? And where were these enforcers of decency when Dick Cheney uttered a four-letter word on the floor of the United States Senate? Since when can free speech be codified like a dictionary of thou-shalt-nots-a list of permitted and banned words-in the manner of some totalitarian dictatorship?

Where again, were the Democrats? In the same place, fumbling around on the ground looking for that compass. Edwards' defense of free speech sounded wimpy and indecisive. His press release had the tone of a father lecturing two wayward daughters. This candidate, who has tried to distance himself from the field by issuing some admirable position papers, failed a crucial test.

According to the New York Times," Kate Bedingfield, a spokeswoman for the Edwards campaign, confirmed that Marcotte was 'no longer working for the campaign.' She declined additional comment." Before posting this I went to the Edwards web site to see if there was anything else about Marcotte. Nothing. It was as if she never existed.

I happen to feel strongly about this because of my family history. My Grandfather was one of the most prominent Germans who spoke out against Adolf Hitler. For that he received a death sentence that he managed to escape in a cloak and dagger operation that spirited my family out of the country before they could put a noose around anyone's neck. My father and my grandfather and my Jewish uncle whose family perished in the Holocaust taught me that if we allow people like Donahue and the Religious Right to dictate what we can say and do we all lose.

Freedom, especially freedom of speech, is never lost in one big Hollywood moment, instead it trickles away, a grain of sand at a time until we suddenly find the vessel of freedom empty. Joe McCarthy knew this as he set about methodically picking away at individuals who were the 1950s equivalent to Amanda Marcotte, ruining their lives--in some cases forever.

Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan have been the victims of a hate campaign as vicious as any Joe McCarthy conducted. They will survive this because they are survivors, but the wounds are deep. If John Edwards will not speak out against this as the Minnesota Democrats failed to defend Rick Kahn, then he may well have derailed his presidential train.

I am sorry for John Edwards, sorry for the Democratic Party and most sorry that as much as I keep hoping the Party will change it seems to keep shooting itself in the foot. There are too many bullets there already, which may be why the party keeps limping along.

Afterward: I maxxed out my pain meds in the middle of posting this, so please excuse any errors of grammar or punctuation. I just felt this needed to be posted as soon as possible.


Coda: I told you I was a bit out of it. Melissa also just resigned. Here is her post:


I regret to say that I have also resigned from the Edwards campaign. In spite of what was widely reported, I was not hired as a blogger, but a part-time technical advisor, which is the role I am vacating.

I would like to make very clear that the campaign did not push me out, nor was my resignation the back-end of some arrangement made last week. This was a decision I made, with the campaign's reluctant support, because my remaining the focus of sustained ideological attacks was inevitably making me a liability to the campaign, and making me increasingly uncomfortable with my and my family's level of exposure.

I understand that there will be progressive bloggers who feel I am making the wrong decision, and I offer my sincerest apologies to them. One of the hardest parts of this decision was feeling as though I'm letting down my peers, who have been so supportive.

There will be some who clamor to claim victory for my resignation, but I caution them that in doing so, they are tacitly accepting responsibility for those who have deluged my blog and my inbox with vitriol and veiled threats. It is not right-wing bloggers, nor people like Bill Donohue or Bill O'Reilly, who prompted nor deserve credit for my resignation, no matter how much they want it, but individuals who used public criticisms of me as an excuse to unleash frightening ugliness, the likes of which anyone with a modicum of respect for responsible discourse would denounce without hesitation.

This is a win for no one.


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Absolutely, LibAm (10.00 / 4)
Absolutely.  Thanks for saying what I was thinking.  Edwards did NOT handle this well, despite what Bowers and everybody else is saying.

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I love this diary for every thing it has to say (11.00 / 3)
I made this comment earlier on Blue House Diaries and then posted a longer version of it on CultureKitchen. I am as fuckingass pissed off still as I was then, it's intolerable that this fuckingass party refuses to stand up for or to speak out against women and this fuckingass war against us.

Here's the comment.

Fuckingfatassratbastards, it goes further than just Donohue 

Strega, [Lorraine] I'm so pissed off about all of this I haven't found the words yet, and certainly not now as will become obvious, but there's another culprit.

John Edwards should have refused to accept her resignation.  She could have gone ahead and resigned, of course, but the fact that Edwards accepted it is so in keeping with the Democratic Party leadership not saying a goddamned, fucking word about this war against women for 6+ fuckingass years.  Politics above women, campaigns above women, elections above women, they keep resigning us to the back burner, why, could it possibly be because they view our rights, our issues, as too hot to handle, so afraid they will run into the exact shit that the rightwing brought to bear?

My vote, YES, and if that is indeed true, what the fuck does that say about what kind of president he will be?  Where the fuck will women's rights play in an administration that does not, forcefully and relentlessly state that they will not accept a resignation of a woman that is being forced out of the fold of a political campaign by the fuckingass rightwing that has been doing this for decades?

Edwards could have been the person who stood up to them, he should have yelled and screamed from his bloody pulpit, we will not give in to such slander.  He should have found his convictions and stood solidly behind them.

So, yeah, Donahue is a bigoted son of a bitch but, IMO, the Democrats aren't far behind.

Women's issues and rights have been glossed over since this administration first started the war against us, the silence has been as deafening as Donahue's words are.

When Obama posted his diary asking for that we be more civil to our elected officials on Kos, I fuckingass went ballistic, screaming that this party had continually told women our time would come, they fuckingass told us to have our little coffee cake parties, to raise money for them, all in the same breath as shushing us.

I'm fed up with the politics on both sides of the aisle, what jesus didn't say, the Democrats say, over and over and over, shut your fucking pie hole.

So, yes, you most certainly should and must post your thoughts and diaries over here.  The diary you link to above is brilliant.

I'm really so fuckingass pissed off I can't even make sense.

Fuckingfatassratbastards.

Thanks for this diary, it's excellent and so sad but true. 


I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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Al Gore May Be The Answer (9.67 / 3)
Liberal is as Liberal does

I sort of wish (6.00 / 1)
people didn't have the urge to paint this as a victory.

with every defeat a victory, we can't even tell when we are losing, let alone win.

I have to stop there though, because I am not at all sure if I support these bloggers.

Being "bloggers" means nothing to me and I don't read their blogs.

It might have been best if bloggers wanted to be gadflies that stay gadflies instead of gadflies that want to turn into beautiful butter(campaign-staffer)flies.

-pyrrho-


Who's painting this as a victory? (8.25 / 4)

Hell, I'm wearing sackcloth and ashes. Edwards was one of my fallback positions, should Gore actually NOT run.

Well, kiss THAT goodbye.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
But who WOULD have stood up for them? (5.33 / 3)
Gravel, absolutely.  Kucinich, probably.  Sharpton, absolutely.  But the others?  Believe me, Obama wouldn't have touched them.  The only other one I can think of where there's even a chance is Dodd.

As far as the major candidates, Edwards did better than any of the others would have by keeping them at all.

And no, I DON'T think he handled it properly.  This was a moment for a "Have you no shame?", not for mushy middle-of-the-road denunciations.

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[ Parent ]
that's the problem (7.50 / 2)
the field is pretty damn weak, when the chips are down. nothing else matters if you can't take a punch, and land one in return.

surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

[ Parent ]
To be fair (5.00 / 2)
I don't think Gore would have retained them either.  Do you think Dean would have in 2004?  I'm not sure he wouldn't have folded to this kind of pressure.

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[ Parent ]
i don't think any democrat exists (9.50 / 4)
who understands the importance of not just weakly folding after someone like donohue hits them below the belt. which is case in point as to why the nation is so hosed.

i'm not sure that hiring bloggers for PR is really all that worthwhile, but demonstrating weakness at the first blow is politically stupid.all edwards had to do is fire back a whole series of donohue quotes and then say that such a hateful man cannot speak for the majority of decent catholics.

surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat


[ Parent ]
Np, NP, NP my dear (10.00 / 2)
What?  Edwards kept them for what, a whole fuckingass day?  Give me a fuckingass break, it took him that long to position himself, it took him that long to figure out what the fuck he was going to say.

He should have come out of the gate ranting about the injustice of it all, he should have gathered up his balls and told Donahue to bite the big one, that he was not going to stand for it.

And where was Elizabeth?  Why in the bloody hell didn't she set him straight for crissakes?

I'm so fucking pissed off, these goddamned cocksucking cowards, sorry TomP, I had to, they're all bottom dwellers, not one of them have said a goddamned fuckingass word about this fuckingass war against women for 6 fuckingass years.

And you know what's fuckingass laughable?  I can hear Harry fuckingass give em NOTHING Reid turning over in his grave of a bed, shaking.  The sniveling little wimp with the mealy mouthed voice, uhhhh, don't say abortion, don't you dare say that word.

Fuckem all, I'm riproaring mad, and I have no intention of not being fuckinass mad for a very fuckingass long time.

Bring it on boys, bring it fuckingass on!!

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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[ Parent ]
Wait a minute (10.00 / 1)
Neither Amanda nor Melissa is saying they were forced out by Edwards.  Everyone I know who knows them says they have no reason to doubt their word.  Is there something I'm missing here?

Elizabeth was busy commenting on my diary.

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[ Parent ]
It isn't about being forced out, it's about not standing the fuck up (10.50 / 4)
The point is not that Amanda and Melissa decided to resign, the point is that they should have resigned under the vocal, loud, shattering protest of the Edwards campaign.

The issue is not what ultimately happened and why, the issue is that Edwards didn't come out loudly stating that the likes of Donohue had no place in his campaign and who he chose to hire.

The point is that Edwards folded, he tucked his tail between his legs and chose to not stand up, not to make it perfectly clear that it was not about a few comments of MANY made by Amanda that was the issue, he needed to proclaim that he hired her because of her qualifications and that NO attempt to discredit her was going to fly with him.

If Amanda chose to resign because of the heinous and evil reactions of those who chose to attack her, that should have been the headlines after the headlines of Edwards refusing to back the fuck down. 

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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[ Parent ]
Did you ever think of taking Edwards' word (5.00 / 2)
that he, too, was offended by the writings of Marcotte? Or that his wife and family were offended, as well? And that he did not want to spend his campaign defending some of her more outrageous writings?

That has been my take on all of this. But then again, I found her writings offensive, too. It is her absolute right to write what she wants. And it is my, and others', absolute right to take offense at them. Which is where Edwards seems to fall in all of this.


[ Parent ]
Bowers has it (5.00 / 1)
and he's been following this as much as you and Lorraine have:

Much like the democratic means attempted by conservatives to outlaw abortion, the media pressure against Edwards didn't work. Unfortunately, the violent threats against Melissa did. Over at Pandagon, Amanda offers a taste of some of the tamer threats she received during the episode, and which it appears she continues to receive. Ultimately, it appears that it was the continuing threat of violence, not any media pressure or caving from the Edwards campaign, that allowed the right-wing to "take scalps" in this whole affair.


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[ Parent ]
Again, the media should have been all over this (10.33 / 3)
Because the Edwards camp put their bloody ass foot down and made the issue the rightwing, the issue should have been Donohue and the ugliness of his campaign against them, all in the backdrop of Edwards DEMANDING that they would not win on this.

not any media pressure or caving from the Edwards campaign

To you and to Bowers, Edwards should have come out fighting mad, the story in the news should have been him red in the face mad that this was even attempted, the story became what it did precisely because Edwards didn't turn it into a story against Donohue and the rightwing.



I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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[ Parent ]
"It's a small world, after all." (9.00 / 4)
Gore? Not Run??? He really would be a fool not to run with Obama or Vilsack or, even Clinton, as his Veep. He will win in a walk. And he'll rule with a fistful of veto-proof Congressmen & Senators, if not in 08, then in 2010. The dirt that keeps flying out of this Administration is enough for two to four years of investigations, indictments and trials on kickbacks, pay-to-play violations - you name it. Two whole years worth at least. Gates is as bad as all of them.

Our dirty little American secret, however, is that the war in Iraq didn't quite drive the Democrats to victory in November 06 - it was all about ETHICS, poor judgment, and moderate Republicans and Independents thinking that it needed to be cleaned up. The Republicans shot the pooch themselves. DeLay was just too effective with his K Street croneys.

Look, we'll be pumping Iraq dry with military men & women on station in country for as long as there's oil there. The war on Iraq was all about oil. It always was. I had no doubts. And when have we ever left a forward military base without having a better station in mind.

The bullshit heaped on us about this is just amazing. All the inside crap is just that, a deflection, a mirage, a false move hidden behind bad actors.

Iran? Bombing Iran? A pipedream. Bush would never dare risk a coup d'etat by his generals. If he does, they will whisk him off to Paraguay, and he can finish his fucking war from there. He'll grunt and make peace with the next Iranian general to come forward. Regime change....

The Republicans will be burned by this so badly that, in the end, when we or our kids get the chance to look back, they'll say, "What a shame. They should have been busy seeking eco-friendly fuels and power generation, not war for carbon emitting fuels that cause floods in our coastal cities and strife amid all the nations of this small world.


[ Parent ]
bowers at myDD (0.00 / 0)
maybe every other day he changes... but when Amanda resigned he said at least it was still a defeat for Donohue... iirc.

-pyrrho-

[ Parent ]
Exactly (9.00 / 1)
The progressive blogging movement is bigger than the Democratic Party. Or at least it should strive to be.

[ Parent ]
Utterly superb. (9.60 / 5)

LOVED this essay. Loved it.

(And I deleted your disclaimer, because, as defacto editor 'round these parts, that is what I am here for -- I cleaned up the typos, punctuation mishaps and any other little glitches -- and I added a (sic) to Amanda's typo of "cavalcade.")

That's why they call me the Fairy Blogmother, after all.


--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

Thanks for the picture! (11.00 / 2)
To the person who found the picture of the memorial for Paul, Sheila and the others, my deepest thanks. I could not attend because my disability kept me away, but my wife and many friends did while I watched on TV.


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donohue gave edwards a test (11.00 / 4)
wouold he knuckle under, or would he fight back against thre bullies and pharisees of the right?

edwrads failed. i suspect that he is not the only one who will, 'ere this season is done.

my kingdom for a democrat who is not afraid of a little heat, whpo is not afraid to call the right on its hypocritical bullshit.

i'll be watching and waiting. right now the field is uninspiring WRT standing whern things get dicey.

i could care less about the bloggers involved (after all, the rules are different for campaign operatives and independent bloggers), but this speaks volumes about edwards and his campaign. still not ready for prime time.

surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat


Edwards did not fail. He's running for President of the United States, (0.00 / 0)
not "most popular candidate among the blogosphere".  We are not picking a prom queen here, we are determining who will be the next president of the US.

Had Edwards "fought back", he would have been doing exactly what the Donahues wanted him to do.  How many more appearances on MSNBC, Fox and how many stories about the conflict on the evening news programs would the Donahue crowd have garnered had Edwards chosen to engage in a street brawl with him?

The most important message Edwards needed to get out was that he was honestly offended by the writings as well.  Had he stayed in this fight, that message would firstly, lost it's priority, secondly, been blurred and twisted by his enemies.

MSOC thinks Gore would have done better.  Based on some of his past campaign performances, I don't see a solid indication of that.  We are talking about a guy who lost his home state in the Bible Belt last time around.  You don't think he would have had looking at their options and asking:

1)  How will this response play on the blogosphere?
2)  How will the response play in Tennesee? New Hampshire? Iowa?  South Carolina?

All the Dems in the race right now are probably treating every week like it's their last week.  Given the size of the Clinton juggernaut, it only takes a few bad decisions to be dismissed by the MSM as not a significant contender.

Edwards has built up good numbers in Iowa, and it would be political suicide to get distracted by the likes of Donahue.

To complain that he didn't fight hard enough on this tangental issue is akin to complaining that he didn't allow his adherence to "principle" to follow a pack of lemmings over a cliff....

Observer


[ Parent ]
It is a dangerous path to embolden your enemies (9.00 / 3)
  Thank you very much for presenting the finer shadings of this situation... what is the point of having sensitivity and progressive understanding if the worst elements of the political chop-shop dictate your every move?  Real strength comes from acting on or best impulses in ways that are true to ourselves and our goals.

I was never a big fan of Edwards (11.00 / 2)
since the word around the staff room---true or not---was that one big-money malpractice suit he won was not malpractice at all.

This is just icing on the cake.

Hate to tell that self-declared child of the blue-collar world: from what I've seen of the average working Joe, he wants somebody who is going to stand up for principles and for what he thinks is right. The people I grew up with and around will respect someone who shows spine/guts/balls, even if they don't agree with what he/she says. Lots of people who didn't agree with the man probably voted for Wellstone over the years because they knew if he believed in something, he'd kick ass to get it done.

No, I don't see Edwards as that kind of person. If you're not going to defend the people who work for you when they're being trashed, who the hell will you defend?

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


How wonderful you wrote this (0.00 / 0)
Thank you for your articulate, thorough analysis of this failure to defend . . . The Paul Wellstone funeral was such a good analogy and one I would have never considered.

I had just made the following comment in the QotD before you posted your diary:

I was excited as hell (just recently) with John Edwards, because he hired blogger Melissa McEwan aka Shakespeare's Sister and Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon. Today Shakespeare's sister resigned. Then the buttheads turned that to shit. I am sorely disappointed in that campaign, despite liking Edwards work with poverty.

I am surprised so little is said at MLW about this really important step forward (then smackdown) of feminist bloggers.>

Both women are getting piled on by the most fetid spewing troll armies, as I am writing this.


How wonderful you wrote this (0.00 / 0)
Thank you for your articulate, thorough analysis of this failure to defend . . . The Paul Wellstone funeral was such a good analogy and one I would have never considered.

I had just made the following comment in the QotD before you posted your diary:

I was excited as hell (just recently) with John Edwards, because he hired blogger Melissa McEwan aka Shakespeare's Sister and Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon. Today Shakespeare's sister resigned. Then the buttheads turned that to shit. I am sorely disappointed in that campaign, despite liking Edwards work with poverty.

I am surprised so little is said at MLW about this really important step forward (then smackdown) of feminist bloggers.

Both women are getting piled on by the most fetid spewing troll armies, as I am writing this.


whoops (0.00 / 0)
This day went on too long. I apologize for forgetting Lorraine's great post this morning and some other comments I'd read regarding these bloggers.

[ Parent ]
Help me! Help me! (10.33 / 3)
I can't stop linking to Chris Bowers:

As much as we laud the sophistication, coordination, and long-term funding that was required to build the Republican Noise Machine, the incidents of the past week bring into stark relief how the continuing threat of violence against targets of the Noise Machine play a key role in its operation. Keep in mind that the targets of right-wing smears are often junior staffers, college professors or other mid-range employees that ultimately mean little to the organization where they are employed. By targeting such people, the Noise Machine hopes to enact more pain to the organizations who employ those-who-dare-to-ever-step-out-of-line- with-conservative-orthodoxy than those-who-dare-to-ever-step-out-of-line- with-conservative-orthodoxy can ever bring to the organization in question. However, in the rare cases where that is not enough to achieve victory, such as John Edwards refusing to fire Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan last week, other tactics are employed in order to achieve the desired result. In order for the Noise Machine to get its scalps and thus continue its normal operation, simultaneous to all of the media smears there is a constant campaign of violent threats.

I didn't think it was possible to bat a thousand until I started reading Bowers.  Chris is one member of the BBB who's with the little guy (or gal) all the time, who gets it at a deep level, and who hits a home run every time he goes up to bat.

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Stop blaming Edwards (9.00 / 3)
Here is an between poster at MYDD and Melissa

Poster asks


I wonder if the Edwards campaign just kept them on for a few days and did not make them immediately resign..

Melissa's Response


No, they did not.  As I said in my post: "[T]he campaign did not push me out, nor was my resignation the back-end of some arrangement made last week."  I have a lot of flaws, but being a liar is not among them.

So do you believe Melissa when she said


I regret to say that I have also resigned from the Edwards campaign. In spite of what was widely reported, I was not hired as a blogger, but a part-time technical advisor, which is the role I am vacating.

I would like to make very clear that the campaign did not push me out, nor was my resignation the back-end of some arrangement made last week. This was a decision I made, with the campaign's reluctant support, because my remaining the focus of sustained ideological attacks was inevitably making me a liability to the campaign, and making me increasingly uncomfortable with my and my family's level of exposure.

I understand that there will be progressive bloggers who feel I am making the wrong decision, and I offer my sincerest apologies to them. One of the hardest parts of this decision was feeling as though I'm letting down my peers, who have been so supportive.

There will be some who clamor to claim victory for my resignation, but I caution them that in doing so, they are tacitly accepting responsibility for those who have deluged my blog and my inbox with vitriol and veiled threats. It is not right-wing bloggers, nor people like Bill Donohue or Bill O'Reilly, who prompted nor deserve credit for my resignation, no matter how much they want it, but individuals who used public criticisms of me as an excuse to unleash frightening ugliness, the likes of which anyone with a modicum of respect for responsible discourse would denounce without hesitation.

This is a win for no one.

So I guess the question are you calling Melissa a lair when she said she resigned because of "sustained ideological attacks was inevitably making me a liability to the campaign, and making me increasingly uncomfortable with my and my family's level of exposure."?

 

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I have to agree with this (8.75 / 4)
I think people are going a little overboard in beating up Edwards over this. When the wingers started calling for the firing of these women, Edwards publicly refused. I'd hardly call that caving. I doubt some of the other campaigns would have gone even that far.

I think the best source to gauge the performance of the Edwards campaign in this mess is from Melissa and Amanda themselves, as they are the only ones who really know what was going on behind all the public noise. If they are satisfied with how the campaign handled this, I think we should be too.

Look, if there is anyone that hates cynical political calculation and not standing up for principle, it's me. But I think we need to keep in mind that Edwards is struggling for headlines in the wake of Obamamania and the MSM obsession with Hillary. It would be foolish for his campaign to let this very sad and unfair development become the big story of his campaign at this juncture. My impression is that all parties concerned are just trying to move past this as smoothly as possible. I don't like that any more than anyone else here, but that's the reality of it.

I believe these women when they say this was their decision, not the campaign's. For Edwards to have publicly refused to accept their resignations is an interesting idea. But I think that considering the vile physical threats made against them and their families, you would have seen just as much, if not more, railing against Edwards if he had openly refused to accept their resignations. That could easily have been painted as Edwards cynically grandstanding and displaying a disturbing indifference to the personal safety of these women and their families.

I do, however, think that any threats made against Melissa and Amanda should be publicly nailed to the foreheads of Donohue, O'Reilly, Malkin, and anyone else that had been cheerleading for their demise. They should be forced to own those threats as if they had made them themselves.

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."


[ Parent ]
John Edwards (2.00 / 2)
Campaign should be dead to all good & faithful liberals.....

A Double Standard (9.67 / 3)
Why is it that liberal or left leaning bloggers or commentators are routinely vilified while absolute filth like Rush the pigman, Hannity, O'Reilly, Malkin and the online angry army of dittohead haters whose comments are of the most vile nature imaginable rarely if ever face any semblance of similar scrutiny?

The entire concept of the resurgence of any movement resembling the old left (pro labor, anti-corporate corruption, pro human rights) is such a threat that not only does the right wing slime machine descend en masse but they are joined by the elitist shills in the MSM as well as whe whores who took over the Democratic party by seeking to become Reagan lite and who kowtow to the same corporate interests.

Both parties as they exist today are servants of one big rotten system that exists to serve the oligarchy and wage class war on an America too mesmerized by the culture of celebrity, too blinded by the hijacking of religion for political purposes, too exhausted and beaten down from the existential struggle for survival in an increasingly cruel workplace and too blinded by the divide and conquer bigotry that has served the oligrachs and their political prostitutes so well.

With the obvious attack on the progressive movement by the DLC elite and their kept mouthpieces like Cyber Stalin and assorted other lesser lackeys in full swing it is time to ramp up efforts to purge the blight of tne creeping threat of neo fascism from American.

Bloggers are the essayists and pamphleteers of the modern era and we will not go away anytime soon...if that makes power uncomfortable then just fuck them anyway....they have been fucking us all for too long.

Just my two cents

EE

"Every Decent Man Is Ashamed Of The Government He Lives Under"-H.L. Mencken


I disagree with Melissa (9.50 / 2)
there are winners in this....Bill Donohue, Bill-O and Malkin. They managed to smear Edwards, bully and threaten by proxy his staffers into leaving and shear off support from the left for a candidate who has made poverty and health care the centerpeices of his campaign.

Just as a reality check, this country has not elected a "Liberal" since at least 1944, many would say never.

This is because we do not live in a liberal progressive society.

While we work to reach the goal of such a nation are we to throw every candidate under the bus who dissapoints in one way or another?

Give me Bubba or Carter if I can't have a real liberal President.

I an sick to death of Reagans and Bushes killing brown people....





"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG


I'd even settle for a Truman (9.00 / 2)
He at least had no fears of telling someone to put their ideas someplace the sun don't shine.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


[ Parent ]
This is the role of a party chairman (0.00 / 0)
... to step in and ensure that the Presidential campaigns are not allowing the eventual victor to emerge too bloodied to win. Howard Dean should have spoken out vocally on this issue, and pressured the other Presidential campaigns to do the same.

There are a lot of people to blame here.


fear Be afraid. But not so afraid that you stop going to the mall.


Why should the other candidates get involved? (0.00 / 0)
This was Edwards' responsibility, to vet his employees. I would NEVER advise Obama or Clinton to step into his mistake. They should just say that they don't comment on the internal workings of other campaigns.

[ Parent ]
First they come for the Edwards people, then .... (9.00 / 1)
Because this wasn't an attack on the internal workings of a campaign, it was an attack on the idea that low-level liberal staffers are allowed to express their opinion outside the job.

This time it was Edwards. Next time it will be Clinton of Dodd. Every time this trick is used, it gains more traction through precedent.

This stupid shit needs to die.

fear Be afraid. But not so afraid that you stop going to the mall.


[ Parent ]
I think turnabout is fair play and would do far more (9.00 / 1)
to stop this - hit their candidates on their employees. Look into everything said by McCain and Guiliani's employees, look into Romney's workers. And then use the internet to trumpet their faults.

It works. I see it working now in that many Op-Ed writers are now talking about how Hillary is not the darling of the Democratic primary voters, which we have been saying for months. It is finally getting out there. Do the same thing with their candidates, rather than expect that scolding them will change anything.

Hit them back, like you would smack a bully. Make them declare a truce. That is what we do best, not hand wringing, and lecturing them.


[ Parent ]
Yep! (0.00 / 0)
Hit them back. Agreed 100%.

But when you're fighting against a well-organized, well-funded and well-practiced machine it helps to have more than one voice beating back the nonsense.

It is not good strategy to let the right-wing attack Democratic candidates on by one, and the other candidates stand by because -- this time -- it's not them.

fear Be afraid. But not so afraid that you stop going to the mall.


[ Parent ]
I have a different, and unpopular, take on all of this (5.75 / 4)
By writing what she did about the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary, Marcotte exercised her free speech. Bravo for her! No problem.

But then, when she was hired by the Edwards' campaign, those writings came with her. They reflected upon Edwards. And I don't blame him for being offended by what she said, and to want to distance himself from remarks that are going to offend thousands, if not millions, of potential voters. What she wrote was meant to provoke and, I would argue, meant to offend. She did not just disagree with the Church's take on contraception, which I also disagree with. She mocked a religious figure important to millions, and she did so in a sexually explicit manner. Does anyone really and truly not see how that would offend people, many of whom would otherwise be open to Edwards' message of Two Americas?

So does he want to stand by this blogger, and her remarks that are far out of the mainstream, or does he want to win, and begin helping the middle and lower classes fight back? It seems that on the blogosphere, the defense of a blogger is paramount. In my view, Marcotte said what she said and is living or dying by it. But outside, in the world of voters who are not reading bloggers, what she said is going to resonate, not whether he defended some blogger they never heard of. And those remarks could lose a close election for him, either in the primary or the general election.

And I know that many, many people who are not religious think what she wrote was fine, but I have heard a LOT of my friends, even liberal Dems who are not religious, find what she said distasteful, if not foully offensive. That is the real world - you are held responsible for what you say and write. You can say whatever you want, but there are always consequences. So for Edwards' sake, I am glad she resigned. So now he can get back to talking about what is important to most Americans - the rape of the lower and middle classes.

(And I think to ask Clinton or Obama to get involved in this is not fair - this was Edwards' gaffe, and has nothing to do with them. I would never advise them to get involved in this.)


Adigal, I didn't see (11.00 / 1)
that Marcotte said anything which hadn't been said before. Granted, she probably put it more crudely...but Kevin Smith said things in Dogma which many people took to be mocking Catholicism, Mary, and Jesus himself. ("Know Him? Dude still owes me twenty bucks!"---Rufus the Thirteenth Apostle. As well as his comments on the dogma of Mary ever-virgin.)

And I can well see where she's coming from, having grown up in pre-Vatican II Catholicism...the same kind which, reviving itself in the 80s, allowed pedophiles to get away with their crimes for decades, has stifled most discussion of birth control in favor of an entirely unnatural "natural family planning" requiring an almost neurotic obsession with timing of intercourse (and still isn't reliable), and tries to pretty up its treatment of women as "occasions of sin" for men and second-class citizens because, I would argue, the hierarchy still secretly considers women sources of sexual "evil". I don't know if she was raised Catholic...but if she were, it would be the justifiable anger of someone rejected by an organization which should have been a home and a haven. Me, I just opted out.

Arguably, Edwards probably should have checked out what she had written better...but that's not why I'm angry at him. I'm angry because he had a perfect chance to point out the sanctimonious, mean-spirited, vicious behavior of the Religious Right in this instance toward both women, as evidenced in the emails they received, and didn't. Moreover, if all of it was posted before either woman was working for him (and, IIRC, weren't they there as computer experts, not mouthpieces anyway?), and none since, he could have called out people like Donohue on their own past "bad behavior" and demanded they prove that all of their folks are saints, not sinners.

OK, maybe I'm naive. But I would dearly like to see someone manage a metaphorical whack upside of the head to the self-righteous and  sanctimonious who claim to be good Christians/Catholics.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


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I'd like to see a Democrat who goes on the offensive. (9.00 / 1)
If I were Edwards I'd have been throwing Donohue's bigoted and crazy statements up front and asking if *this* is the kind of lunatic you allow to set standards?

I'd have also forwarded the death threats to the media.  The MSM appears to believe that the "protesters" are all good Xtian people.  It's time they saw what the real protesters are, and that there isn't anything *good* about them!

Fight back, dammit!


Elections (7.50 / 2)
The purpose of running a campaign is to win the election. So principles always get sacrificed to practical politics.

The right is in an especially weak position currently and has only personal attacks to fall back on. They can no longer point to (alleged) policy triumphs or even the hope that such policies will work in the future (the hope for the future gambit). So they most divert the discussions from substantive issues as much as possible.

Whether it is a couple of out spoken bloggers, or the Pelosi plane issue, or Biden's remarks about how presentable Obama is, the pattern is the same.

Get used to a continual smear campaign, it's all they have left. No Dem will risk losing support over a minor staff issue. That's just the way the world works. Sorry...

----Policies not Politics
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Extremely well written (6.00 / 1)
The issue of free speech is being hit hard by you and Lorraine in different posts. I am reminded of when AnthonySF and VirginiaBelle went to work for the Tester campaign and had to curtail blogging activity. The campaign should be about the candidate, not about the bloggers who are supporting the candidate or work for the candidate. But this ban applied to the personal time of two field organizers. The shameful thing about Amanda and Shakes being forced to resign is that Edwards tried to show class and make a distinction between what they do on their personal time and what they do when they work for him, and people who know nothing but personal attacks wouldn't respect that distinction. Even if Edwards had been more vicious towards Donahue and everything he represents, Amanda and Shakes would still have been targets because the sort of people who are writing to them are experts in being vicious. And they might still have resigned.

"You cannot take what you have not given, and you must give yourself. You cannot buy the Revolution. You cannot make the Revolution. You can only be the Revolution. It is in your spirit, or it is nowhere."--Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed

I'd like to see some mental aikido from Edwards on this (0.00 / 0)
Great diary and thread - very thoughtful all around.

I'm disturbed by this event for several reasons, not the least of which is the personal emotional cost to Amanda and Melissa.

I hope that John Edwards performs a little mental aikido with this, because in aikido: "it is the energy of the attack itself which brings down the attacker."  (Dynamics of Aikido)

This is a very good opportunity to turn the argument around, to begin lifting the veil that currently obscures the methods and intent of the RWNM, a veil that lets the likes of Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al go unexamined.

Unlike Obama's vague notions of "new politics," by lifting the veil in this specific instance, Edwards can really start a long-term, meaningful discussion on such notions as the abuse of power, the toxicity of winning-at-all-costs, and the importance of real discourse.

This isn't the first such attack - coming almost two years out from the election - and it's certainly not going to be the last. The campaign's got plenty of matters to attend to. I think this one is worthwhile.

"...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare


Thanks! (0.00 / 0)
Again, it is a honor to stimulate what so far has been a great discussion, one that makes me proud to be part of this community. I take no credit for this, but I hope we can continue to model this kind of discussion for other blogs. 

Most gracious thanks to the Fairy Blogmother herself who made this piece readable and possible. You have no idea what it took to get this out. But I feel guilty you had to do it, knowing your plate is more full than mine. 

As for the points made a few observations:

1) A consistent thread running through the comments is one of "winning" versus values. It's a worthwhile debate. My sympathies are quite clear--I'm on the side of values. We tried "winning" when we picked John Kerry. 

2) There is another thread about what Edwards should have done. I agree he may not have personally agreed with or liked what either Amanda or Melissa said, but I believe one can say that and still stand up for free speech and against the kind of hate speech that was directed against Amanda and Melissa. I also think you don't hire writers if someone hasn't read what they wrote. That's just plain lazy staff work. I don't blame that on John Edwards personally, but I would not be surprised to see some Edwards' staffers disappear over this.

3) Rub hits it right on the mark when he says, "This isn't the first such attack - coming almost two years out from the election - and it's certainly not going to be the last. The campaign's got plenty of matters to attend to. I think this one is worthwhile." This was a "test run" so to speak of even worse vitriol to follow. The Raucous Right wanted to see how much Edwards would fight back and how much the Democratic Party would fight back. They now have their answer. This was a takeout move--a forearm shiver--against a candidate the GOP worries about.

4) I have been made aware that there were possibly physical threats involved. In a piece on the infamous "Rent a Riot" in 2000 I said those tactics would be back. If the threats are really true--and right now I cannot confirm it--it is VERY, VERY scary.

Thanks again to everyone at MLW for all your comments, they are much appreciated.

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