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They Knew. Lies to Cover a Rogue Administration

by: Rowan Wolf

Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:34:54 AM PDT



( - promoted by Maryscott O'Connor)



General Taguba (Wikipedia)

"From the moment a soldier enlists, we inculcate loyalty, duty, honor, integrity, and selfless service," Taguba said. "And yet when we get to the senior-officer level we forget those values. I know that my peers in the Army will be mad at me for speaking out, but the fact is that we violated the laws of land warfare in Abu Ghraib. We violated the tenets of the Geneva Convention. We violated our own principles and we violated the core of our military values. The stress of combat is not an excuse, and I believe, even today, that those civilian and military leaders responsible should be held accountable." -- General Taguba to Seymour Hersch in the New Yorker

After 34 years of service, General Taguba was forced to retire in January 2007 - apparently in retaliation for his report on the torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib prison.




Rowan Wolf :: They Knew. Lies to Cover a Rogue Administration



Abu Ghraib - image from anti-war.com

Seymour Hersch's article The General's Report in the June 25, 2997 New Yorker, is damning in regards to "who knew." General Taguba makes clear that he feels that "everyone knew." He reports that it was clear to him that the orders for the torture came from higher up, and that the torture was systematic and pervasive. He also makes clear that Rumsfeld, Myers (then head of the Joint Chief of Staff), and Abizaid (then in charge of Central Command) knew of the conditions well before the Senate testimonies ever occurred. Therefore, all the "lack of knowledge" testimony was a lie. So too is the prosecution of enlisted personnel as if they were acting on their own initiative.

The former senior intelligence official said that when the images of Abu Ghraib were published, there were some in the Pentagon and the White House who "didn't think the photographs were that bad"--in that they put the focus on enlisted soldiers, rather than on secret task-force operations. Referring to the task-force members, he said, "Guys on the inside ask me, 'What's the difference between shooting a guy on the street, or in his bed, or in a prison?' " A Pentagon consultant on the war on terror also said that the "basic strategy was 'prosecute the kids in the photographs but protect the big picture.' " (Hersch)

"Protect the big picture" he says. What exactly was - and is - the "big picture?" Certainly part of that picture was to keep the Bush Administration out of the picture. It amazed me at the time, and it amazes me still, that Bush and Cheney could task Alberto Gonzales with writing a legal legitimation of torture, and why the U.S. was not bound by the Geneva Convention, then argue they never legitimated torture. Likewise Rumsfeld's quipping remarks regarding the "interrogation techniques" as not that bad. So folks knew. In fact, it seems likely that torture was ordered from the top.

The country was well served by General Taguba and his dedication to honesty and integrity. It is poorer as he, and others, are purged from the military.

Abu Ghraib was not the only lie - as we now know - though this article is not a detailing of the lies.

The Guardian/UK headline states blatantly "Blair knew US had no post-war plan for Iraq." This is no surprise for those who took the Downing Street Memos seriously. What is new in this article is how upset Blair was about Bush's lack of a reconstruction plan. This report reconfirms what was clear from before the preemptive invasion of Iraq - the Bush administration saw this as a "cake walk."

Two questions arise. First, did the Bush administration really think Iraq would be in and out, or did they hope for the levels of chaos and disruption that ensued? (Which "big picture" was that a part of?) The second question is "What did Blair hoped to gain out of committing Britain to this illegal war?" Was it the same as whatever the Bush administration's goals may have been?

We should be very nervous when decision makers stand to benefit significantly from their committing a nation to drastic action. Individual's might confuse their interests as national interests. For example the interests of big oil, or military industries, or construction industries (or those firms that invest in them like the Carlyle Group) are not necessarily the same as the interests of the nation. The "plan" if we read neoconservative reports and plans was to treat Iraq as a test case of unfettered capitalism.

I have no idea what Blair's connections are to industry and finance, but it seems that he felt serving those interests were important. Hence, the 1 billion pound payments to Prince Bandar by the MoD of Britain in conjunction with the largest military arms deal in England's history has made is in the news. So too is Blair's accepting responsibility for the deal.

One of the largest lessons from the massive debacles of the Bush administration will be that there is no mechanism for putting a leash on a cabal with extreme power. The Bush Administration has broken virtually every law and rule in the books with impunity. There is no Constitutional leash left to protect the nation from an abusive Executive Branch. That is a sad lesson to learn, but it did not just happen. It has been a plan long in the making. The question is, is it a plan we can reverse?




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Sometimes Seymour Helps Me...See More (9.00 / 1)
I was hoping an intrepid MLW writer,

Would shine the spotlight on,

General Taguba's Report,

And the susequent shafting of,

ONE OF THE FINEST GENERALS,

This sorry ass country,

Ever had the opportunity to abuse,

Because of the way Mr. Bush does things,

The Military is Our Ad Hoc State Department,

Who do the Iraq's see and deal with,

ON A DAILY BASIS?

OUR TROOPS!

SO GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS!

Furthermore,

I must SINCERELY APOLOGIZE,

TO THE ISLAMIC WORLD,

And once I Am elected to serve,

That will be followed by a series,

OF GOOD FAITH EFFORTS,

THAT WILL LEAVE NO DOUGBT,

IN YOUR HEARTS OR MINDS,

THOSE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS,

Could be the basis of ANOTHER REPORT,

ONE THAT ALLOWS A GREAT MIND,

TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE,

AND MAKE US MILITARY TROOP,

REDEPLOYNENTS AND WITHDRAWALS,

AND TO ENGIMEER THIS,

SO THAT OUR SIDE,

MAY DO SO FROM A POSTION OF,

STRENGTH AND HONOR!

I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF ANYONE,

MORE QUALIFIED TO DO THIS,

CAN YOU? 

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Is this supposed to soften my diary...replace it? (6.00 / 3)
That's it...keep trying to make it sound like it's just a few bad apples...

The U.S. Military is throughly corrupt and it is through in it's incompetence and it is abjectly perverse....

http://bushplanet.bl...

There are a few GOOD apples in the Military...But mostly it has developed into a bad culture...I'm sure it was better before ...but now it's a diseased culture.

http://bushplanet.bl...

People in America need to accept that the military is now part of the corruption of the rest of America....these aren't conscripts anymore....they are something else....and the contractors make things far worse....

Stu Piddy....a free range human


I took, find the promotion of this diary a "curious coincidence" (0.00 / 0)
Stu has posted diary in which he pulls no punches criticizing torture and abuse of Iraqis by American soldiers, to which I appended a number of comments showing broad support for torture and abuse of Iraqis amongst American military personnel....

And "voila!" this diary gets frontpaged.

With a softer (but still critical) meme, of course.....

Strange days, indeed.

Once again, I'm at the mercy of someone I wouldn't let pick my nose!--John Lithgow, "Third Rock from the Sun"


[ Parent ]
Nothing sinister about it. (0.00 / 0)

I'm just not really into Stu's particular style of writing.  I found it disjointed and awkward.

You could have, of course, promoted it yourself; why didn't you? I'd have been very uncomfortable with it, naturally, but I wouldn't have undermined your decision. As it stands, the story needed to be frontpaged, and I preferred this version, aesthetically as well as "journalistically" speaking.

And yeah, the title was off-putting as hell.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
Because anything I promote automatically comes under attack by MyLeftWing's version of the flying monkeys (4.00 / 1)
Why would I want to fuck up Stu's diary by attaching my name to it?

Once again, I'm at the mercy of someone I wouldn't let pick my nose!--John Lithgow, "Third Rock from the Sun"

[ Parent ]
So here's your "few bad apples" (9.00 / 1)
Poll: Many in Army OK with torture

11:31 PM CDT on Friday, May 4, 2007

From Wire Reports

WASHINGTON – More than one-third of U.S. soldiers in Iraq surveyed by the Army said they believe torture should be allowed if it helps gather important information about insurgents, the Pentagon disclosed Friday. Four in 10 said they approve of such illegal abuse if it would save the life of a fellow soldier.

In addition, about two-thirds of Marines and half the Army troops surveyed said they would not report a team member for mistreating a civilian or for destroying civilian property unnecessarily. "Less than half of Soldiers and Marines believed that non-combatants should be treated with dignity and respect," the report stated.

About 10 percent of the 1,767 troops in the official survey – conducted in Iraq in the fall – reported that they had mistreated civilians in Iraq, such as kicking them or needlessly damaging their possessions.

"They looked under every rock, and what they found was not always easy to look at," S. Ward Casscells, the assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, said of Army researchers who conducted the survey. The report noted that the troops' statements are at odds with the Army's "soldier's rules."

 


Link:  http://www.dallasnew...

Government survey of ethics of U.S. military personnel in Iraq

The 5/5/07 newspapers carried stroies about a survey conducted by the U.S. military of its personnel in Iraq. Findings include:

• 47% of soldiers and 38% of Marines said non-combatants should be treated with dignity and respect

• about 1/3 of troops said that had cursed at or insulted Iraqi civilians face-to-face

• about 10% of U.S. troops admitted gratuitously mistreating Iraqi civilians or their property

• 44% of Marines and 41% of soldiers said torture should be allowed if it would save the life of a U.S. military person

• 39% of Marines and 36% of soldiers said torture should be allowed to get information from the enemy



Link:  http://www.johntreed...

…human rights activists said the (May 2007) report lends support to their view that the abuse of Iraqi civilians by U.S. military personnel was not isolated to some bad apples at Abu Ghraib and a few other detention facilities but instead was more widespread.

"These are distressing results," said Steven Shapiro, national legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union. "They highlight a failure to adequately train and supervise our soldiers."


Eh, you can’t believe those pussies in the ACLU. Bunch of liars who want the terr’ists to win! 

Once again, I'm at the mercy of someone I wouldn't let pick my nose!--John Lithgow, "Third Rock from the Sun"

Seymour Hersch (6.00 / 1)
and General Taguba seem to be genuinely good people. There are still some out there, but they seem to be fewer and farther between, which is a shame upon us, as a people.

"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness." ~Dalai Lama

Taguba's a real soldier (9.00 / 2)
They still have them in the military, you know...but Bush and his gang of thugs have made sure that every officer with the courage to speak out has gotten fired.

General Shinseki warned the Bushistas that they were going into Iraq without enough men to do the job...and got pushed into oblivion for it. 

That lesson could not have been lost on other, less courageous men.

But really, what most of the senior officer corps is upset about right now is that Bush is using them without giving back what they want--he was supposed to give them a bigger army with more "toys" and so far...well, all the loot has gotten siphoned off into "no bid" contracts for Bush's political supporters. 

Never trust a sociopath, fellas.

Once again, I'm at the mercy of someone I wouldn't let pick my nose!--John Lithgow, "Third Rock from the Sun"


[ Parent ]
Thanks for your reply, (0.00 / 0)
"But really, what most of the senior officer corps is upset about right now is that Bush is using them without giving back what they want--he was supposed to give them a bigger army with more "toys" and so far...well, all the loot has gotten siphoned off into "no bid" contracts for Bush's political supporters."

Which is a damned sad commentary on just about everything going on now. Thank you.

Sociopaths running amuck among us. May God save us, or perhaps just forgive us.

"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness." ~Dalai Lama


[ Parent ]
Taguba has integrity. (9.00 / 2)
Truthout had an article on him I read yesterday.  He grew up in the Phillipines and got his values from his strong family: his dad was part of the Battan Death March and as a child he lived across the street from a Japanese interment camp in the Phillipines and saw men bayoneted for no reason.

He knew this report was going to ruin his career and he honestly prepared it anyway.  (Though the article does indicate that the report was not welcome to Rummy and that Cabal, and Rummy denied knowing in advance what the report said when he met the first time with Taguba, though they had all received advance copies through the Pentagon.

I wish I knew what to do with this information to get torture stopped as official American policy.  My congressman isn't even answering many letters these days -- none on this topic. 

Vigilance is the price of freedom. That means us citizens, and not our professional military or its industrial complex bleeding us for every dollar they waste protecting corporate hegemony. That is part of what weakens citizens and puts us in danger.


actually, it was his mother who witnessed that n/t (0.00 / 0)


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thank you for putting this in the spotlight where it belongs ... (0.00 / 0)
  Thank you, RW--- thank you for putting the spotlight on this.

  I read the article and found it a devastating  indictment even now after serial scandals from this maladministration--or it ought to be devastating among any people morally awake.

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