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Sometimes, It Feels Good to Respond to Douchebaggery

by: Maryscott O'Connor

Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 18:49:16 PM PDT





And in the spirit of that creed, after a few days' reflection, whereupon I've decided that, yes, while my inaugural radio show wasn't up to my perfectionist standards, nor, indeed, the standards of any regular radio talk show listener -- for a first timer, it did not, in fact, suck ass. Nor, in fact, did I suck ass, so I've decided to respond to a particularly vile review I received in real time and directly after the show concluded.

To be sure, the show was indeed deeply flawed; how could it not be? Its host had never done anything like it; being a call-in guest for 15 minutes at most on someone else's show does not remotely compare to hosting one's own radio show. The sound quality -- over which I had a little control, and will implement next week -- needed radical improvement.

And, of course, the biggest problem was me: my nervousness led to several issues that made for a lousy overall performance. I stammered, I paused, I swore too much, et cetera. And, of course, the show was scheduled for thirty minutes and should have been an hour; just when we were warming up, it ended. So be it; next week, an hour. And next week, the implementation of many corrections based on constructive criticism received from many caring sources.

Sources which do not include the douchebag named d3n4l1 at PFF.

His "criticism" consisted of the following:


TITLE: Maryscott "Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blaaah blah, bla blah blah.  Blah blah blaaa!  Blah.  Bla Blah."
You know what I mean.  Just cause it might be fun:

www.blogtalkradio.com/myleftwing
4pm eastern. 3pm central.  2pm mountain.  1pm pacific.


For a few days, I've mulled over whether or not I ought to respond.

Finally, I decided -- what the fuck?

So I posted the following over there, a few minutes ago:


Maryscott O'Connor :: Sometimes, It Feels Good to Respond to Douchebaggery




First, I copied and pasted the post-game analysis I posted here a few days ago...


In my admittedly harsh estimation, the show sucked. No -- I sucked.

. . . et cetera . . .

Anyway -- that's my post-game.

. . .

(Parenthetically, however, I must say, however flawed my inaugural radio hosting gig was, I'm obliged to declared it a qualified success for one simple and obvious reason: People not only talked about it immediately after it aired... they were talking about it the day after... and the day after, and the day after that. And not just the people who like me and support my efforts in blgging and other arenas; the people who loathe and disparage me, and claim to think me irrelevant and useless -- THOSE people -- who, by the way, NEVER seem to stop talking about me, never mind that it's negative, they constantly fucking TALK about me, for chrissakes. You'd think if they truly wished to make me IRRELEVANT, they'd just SHUT THE FUCK UP about me.

Anyway -- crappy sound and hesitant host or not, a show cannot truly be declared a bomb if people are still talking about it 5 days later. It must be acknowledged as a qualified success. So there.)

Then, I wrote my response to THEIR post-game" analysis (of course, edited slightly here and there, in this version -- editor's prerogative):


I agree with virtually every criticism leveled at me here; irrespective of the needlessly cruel delivery style of some here (very much expected, and to which I've long since become impervious), even the jabs at my personality flaws are pretty much accurate, noted and already on my list of Shit I Have to Correct.

Character Defects and Technical Difficulties aside, the most challenging aspect of this venture is obviously the undertaking of a completely alien vocation. I'm amused by the "shocked, SHOCKED" reactions of some here; as if the expectation was that I was going to waltz into talk radio -- regardless of the fact I'd never done anything remotely like it before, that I was a complete amateur, that I was likely (and, as it turned out, WAS) to be  nervous as hell -- a seasoned professional.

And oh, the feigned disappointment. Coming from a bunch of people who doubtless would have liked nothing better than to hear me vomiting on air, all this hand wringing over my mediocre performance is risible, to say the least.

One more thing: For people who declare me utterly irrelevant and useless, you sure spend an awful lot of time thinking and talking about me. You keep it up, you might surpass me.


I shouldn't even bother going back to read the response to this -- but eventually, after a LONG time has passed... I probably will.

Funny thing, though -- I actually have grown impervious to the callous cruelty of these types of people. Don't know what happened; maybe just the passage of time? Or perhaps it was the series of REAL dramas in my life, the REAL pain I've experienced over the past several months -- perhaps it gave me a true, heavy-duty sense of perspective.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  As I've said repeatedly to a couple friends who've been experiencing their own pain over some online assholery: those people aren't really talking to THEM, not them as actual PEOPLE, with feelings, with lives and children and hopes, dreams, fears -- those people are typing those awful words to NAMES on a screen.

They have no real sense of the humanity involved at the other end of the TUBES, as it were. The callous, unfeeling, vicious, malice they spew through their keyboards onto their screens -- they do NOT truly think about the actual FEELINGS those words elicit from the ACTUAL PEOPLE to whom they are directed. How could they? If they truly did KNOW... they would be monsters, wouldn't they? Amoral, vicious, sociopathic monsters. For the words they write, the things they say to other PEOPLE... those words are MONSTROUS.

The only thing I can honestly believe of them is that they are utterly detached from the reality of what they are doing and saying. They do not have any true sense of the HUMAN BEINGS to whom they are speaking with their keyboards and their internet connections; funny that should be the word we use for it -- connection; it's the very last thing they actually are, connected." They are completely DETACHED.

Anyway, that's how I see it, and that's how I've come to be resolutely detached, myself, when approaching the type of person online who writes to me the sort of language I know for a fact she or he could never say to my face.

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Whew. (9.44 / 16)

This post turned into much more than just crossposting what I said over there; I guess I felt like sharing with everyone here what I've been saying to my friends on the phone, the ones who blog here and elsewhere who've really been suffering over the cruelty they've experienced from other bloggers. Those bloggers who callously and unfeelingly post the most vicious and evil - yes, evil - things, words I simply cannot believe they would EVER say to someone's face.

I've been trying to get my friends to apply what I've learned; that if I can detach myself as I believe these people are detached - well, not to the degree they have -- but at least apply the same reasoning, to read their words with the idea that they are not speaking to ME, but to the NAME they read on the screen.

They don't KNOW me. They know this NAME. This "persona" they've come to believe they know, when in reality they know very little, all they know is the pieces they've put together - a Frankenstein's monster, really. No wonder they hate me - for what they've put together and how THEY'VE interpreted those pieces put together - considering the malice, anger and negativity in their own personalities, of COURSE I've come across as a negative character in their drama.

Anyway - that's that, I suppose. Time for dinner.


 


--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

Screen (5.00 / 1)
u need someone to screen your critics...

screen out all the flotsam & diatribes...

have them shovel you the constructive critique...

& build on that...

don't try to do it all yourself...

& above all have someone SCREEN your critics...

this is to important to flub...

ur the greatest...

Gore/Kucinich 2008


[ Parent ]
Cruelty is one thing that can be dealt with (0.00 / 0)
But eliminating you is not.

As kos eliminated me


[ Parent ]
So late to comment, but... (0.00 / 0)
You did just fine.  Yeah, you had some potty mouth goin' on.  Nerves.  And, yeah, the sound sucked.  Not your deal.

We've had our issues in the (way distant) past.  I'm backing you on this.  You could easily make this work for you.  There were glimpses where I thought that you were a natural.  Truly.  Radio just could be your gig, lady.  You've got a good voice for it.  And a healthy sense of outrage.

I look forward to the kinks being worked out.


[ Parent ]
Good on you , dear (5.00 / 1)
I've known this at some deeper level from the beginning.

  I thought it went rather well.  Sure there were awkward moments, but as you said, it was a very credible showing and I'm confident it will only improve with time and practice. This is such a wonderful opportunity for you....

I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. E. B. White


I got to listen a little bit and had (7.25 / 4)
to go, but I'll tell you what I thought then and now: It'll succeed because of your honesty.

It takes a lot of guts to do something you don't know how to do very well, but do it anyway because you feel it needs to be done.

It'll get better & better each time, that's my honest opinion.


Now that you are a radio celebrity, Maryscott (7.00 / 3)
You might find this amusing...

The other night I had occasion to be at KQED's studios for a meet-and-greet with Jacques Pepin, organized by one of my many colleges' alumni associations. Before actually meeting Jacques (who was wonderfully gracious, as you might expect), I got a tour of the studios. In particular, I got to see the studio where Michael Krasny (yes, the MSOC wannabe) records his interviews. Apparently, Krasny is a bit of a twit. He doesn't like anyone to be around his studio when he's conducting his interviews, so all the various KQED employees are under strict orders to stay away.  So I figure, if he's that much of a twit, why not fuck with him?  I'm not saying I lowered his chair a few inches, but if he had a shitty show on Tuesday morning....heheheheh.

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.


You know (7.00 / 2)
you actually did fine, considering.  You were faced right out of the gate with the scariest thng you could have been faced with:  dead air.  You got lots of good advice about tricks of the trade for dealing with it next time.  I trust it won't be the first time in your life that you have learned from experience.

Thing is, I KNOW where I would have been.  I could either think or speak, but not both at the same time.  To think, I would havehad to set my voice on autopilot, and while thinking, I would have been awakened to something in my ear which told me that my voice had wandered where i didn't want it to be.

So, you have my admiration.

All that is really important is what YOU think about it.  Just try not to over think it.

For what it's worth.

A Harpo horn might be nice for some of th dead air.

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.


Hey Maryscott? (5.00 / 1)
I'm finally listening to the broadcast and it's great.

Damn, listen to you.

You're on fire and it's nice to hear.  You got your groove back.

And it's nice to hear your voice, sweetie.

And I like pyrrho as the straight man.

Can't wait to you really come into your own.

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asdf (7.00 / 1)
Funny thing, though -- I actually have grown impervious to the callous cruelty of these types of people. Don't know what happened; maybe just the passage of time? Or perhaps it was the series of REAL dramas in my life, the REAL pain I've experienced over the past several months -- perhaps it gave me a true, heavy-duty sense of perspective.

Bravo.

"Jesus, I sound like Randy Rhodes, I gotta tone it down a little."

ha ha hah ah ah a ha ha hah!

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Why even bother with the negative reviews? (8.80 / 5)
Please Please Me was an amateurish album with crappy production values and so-so songs. Hell, John Lennon could barely sing the day they recorded it. But the Beatles went on to show the world their genius in spite of it.

Fuck the negative reviews. This is a long-term effort. The first few shows aren't gonna be perfect, but you'll settle in and it'll be fine.

The folks at PFF have become what they claim to despise. So I don't see why you should be stung by their criticism.


"Please Please Me"... (7.00 / 2)
...is not a so-so song.

Nor is "Twist and Shout."

But point taken.

:)

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Agreed (5.33 / 3)
But some of the others are quite forgettable. And in any case, it wasn't their best foot forward. They kept at it and look where it got them.

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I love the end (7.00 / 1)
Maryscott: "Hello? [typetypetypeclicktypeclick] Hello? [typeclickclicktypetypeclick]  Hello? [tat tat tat rat-a-tat-tat-tat tat rat a tat]"

Like the end of "A Day in the Life," eh?


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Hang In There (9.00 / 4)
Back in my guiding days and also when I supervised graduate TAs, I always told folks, "What's the worst thing that can happen" and then actually had them go through it. For those learning to canoe that meant tipping the canoe over and somehow getting themselves back to shore. For teachers I always told them that once during the semester they had to go to class totally unprepared. The people learning to canoe found out they didn't drown. The budding teachers learned that even without preparation they were fine.

You faced a situation just like that. You thought you had a TALK radio show in which you got to respond to your guests, but instead there were no guests. You were greeted with DEAD silence--and not just for a brief time either. To me that is the worst possible thing that could happen.

Once you actually had some people you were on a roll.

Thanks should also go to Jeff Huber who did a great job as a guest and even more thanks to Pyrrho who really did a nice job working with you.

So remember, you survived the worst thing that could happen. 

Next time see if others like Jeff would serve as "guests" to get things rolling. It's a well-known fact talk show hosts salt their audiences. As you are on this site, you are at your best when you have something to react to. Heck, you could even read from the newspaper and editorialize or use Michelle Malkin's latest piece of idiocy. Pick out an outrageous story of the day or week that shows the insanity of our feerless leaders and let fly. Riff on Dick Cheney.

Most of all let people see that your outrage comes because you CARE.

I must personally apologize because in my screwed up head I had time zones all mixed up and ended up catching it on tape. The silence is my fault not yours.



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performance anxiety (5.00 / 1)
Very few of the musicians I work with use them (at least not regularly), but pretty much everyone knows who to ask.  Sometimes it just comes out of nowhere . . . and you can't hold the show because the soprano's got the shakes or a dry throat.  Talk to your doc about it . . .

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"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."    Voltaire


I saw Julie Delpy's 2 Days in Paris Tonight (0.00 / 0)
Her starring, written, directed and produced one woman show (like you MSOC)and she is just so real in it. It also has a blast at every politically correct euphenism available. All I could do was laugh and laugh as I imagined blue vertigo, majorflaw,dadanation, andgarden, truth of angels, DMiller and all the rest of that cabal who stalk you to troll rate and get you banned when you disagree with their zionist agenda, a bit camoflaged but not carefully enough. I was laughing because I could imagine their trolling every scene in the film until it was all on the cutting room floor. And I was the only one in the theatre who thought it was so very funny so I must thank them all for two hours of solid laughter.

Thank you, BUT, I MUST correct ONE thing... (8.00 / 2)

dadanation is a great friend of mine. NOT at ALL one of the haters. Don't know where you got the opposite idea, but just to clarify -- SO not the case.

As to the rest of it -- thank you muchly! I have made a STRONG note to see that film!

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
dadanation has traveled with the cabal many times (4.00 / 2)
and recced them as they recced him. Just this weekend he was with them trying to bury someone with their techniques of stalking, trolling and reccing.

Here's the link of dadanation in action with the rest of them.

http://www.dailykos....

ben bang nearly buried them. majorflaw was quiet for one whole day. Then today he got it again on legal info and mortgages which they all including dadanation trolled me unmercifully for informing people. So today a wonderful diary on mortgage foreclosure but it slid off pretty fast.

link: WARNING about mortgage foreclosure  http://www.dailykos....

You will see majorflaw and marcus tullius posture about this and rather than troll rate them out of there, they were discredited. For something they trolled me so much about I got autobanned. This bunch are such hypocrites they would fit in fine with the Bush administration. They swiftboat everyone who won't kow tow to them.

If you hang around with crows you don't get to hear the nightingales sing.

So dadanation should spend more time with you and less with majorflaw,marcus tullius,blue vertigo et. al.

After my Altemeyer diaries at dkos he started to apologize and suck up to me as he probably thought I was more important than I was. But when he realized I wasn't he joined them in attacking me once more. Maybe he just thinks you are important, which you are. And I doubt that he will ever display that behavior with you. I suggest you ask him about it.

I like it that you defend a friend no matter what. I do think he tries to detach himself from them sometimes, but they all give each other such a sense of power as they brownshirt the joint over there. Just gives more credence to Naoimi Wolf's fascist step by step program which originates at the cultural level of passivity.


[ Parent ]
Funny that you mention your Altemeyer diaries (11.00 / 1)
in this context, because not five minutes ago I was thinking about the behaviors displayed by these folks over at dkos and how they fit RWA behaviors so closely. I also remember that Altemeyer said he was pretty sure that there is a liberal specie of RWA, too, but that he hasn't identified it yet.

Maybe we should give him a heads up. :)

-8.88/-7.08... Go ahead, accuse me again of being a rightwing conservative.


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Exactly what I think too (1.00 / 1)
When people appoint themselves the policemen of the site and troll rate comments out of existence which takes all their erroneous and provoking ones with it and then start counting how many more you have to go to avoid being autobanned (this means STFU) and then get people to look at their out of context links which can be damning to enlist their aid in TRing you so that mysterious number of individual TR's can be reached that  autoban you!

The core of people there are double highs as they see themselves the guardians of the gate, the ones with the truth who get to decide who stays and who goes. I believe majorflaw is conscious about what he is doing  as Cheney is. While Bush is a true believer double high.

I am not finished with this yet until I get a public apology from them.


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brownshirt? (6.00 / 1)
"started to suck up to me"
??
please.

this diary is about msoc's radio show.

your inane quarrel with me is best aired somewhere else.

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I'd be happy to air it where it belongs (3.00 / 1)
But all of you were so intent on getting me autobanned so I couldn't argue it where it belonged.

Hypocrite to accuse me of argung in the wrong place when you were one of the ones taking me out of the right place. Because none of you can stand confrontation from one person when there are so many of you to troll rate them into oblivion.

Hope MSOC takes a good look at the other side of your face.

And yes you commented to me after Altemeyer's diaries that you were sorry about your negativity concerning the past. Not your exact words but I am sure if you want to find them you can. And at the time I thought to myself, "Suck up!"


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you need to calm down and step way back here (0.00 / 0)
i apologize to anyone reading this that i am writing this post, but i am just so frustrated by this bullshit.  the charges are crap.  period.

you are more than welcome to believe whatever in the hell you want to believe about whatever in the hell you want to believe in.  you are more than entitled to your own perspective.

and while equally you are entitled to fabricate and invent reality whenever it suits your purpose, you can't all of the sudden walk away from the consequences of your fabrications and baseless assertions.  especially when the reality you fabricate is so easily shown to be just huff and puff.

i submit, for your own reminding, this following thread.  the one where you assert that blue vertigo and i are a team, following you around and being mean to you.

here: http://www.dailykos....

i went as far as to even list the order of our exchanges in that damn thread to highlight the inanity of your claim and the charge of some kind of diabolical teamwork aimed at quieting you.  it's there, in that thread. 

on more than one occasion, you stated as fact that blue vertigo and myself and others were intentionally teaming up on.  you not once offered a shred of evidence.  when shown how ludicrous your claim was, you neither recanted nor apologized -- you just kept on keeping on with the bullshit.

for every documented canard and mischaracterization and utter folly you posted and were called on and shown to be wrong in your commentary, not once did you accept the consequence of your own actions.  not once. 

trying to paint past actions a different hue in a new blog is a shitty way to try to rationalize away your own responsibility for your own predicament.

the fact remains that you displayed (and once again here display) a penchant for jumping the shark.  full stop.

when you got your job writing for the local paper (i believe that was the job, was it not? -- no matter) -- when you had good news, yes, i did congratulate you.  i would note that if you find someone offering good wishes to someone on a new employment opportunity "sucking up" i am sure glad i never wished you a happy birthday -- lord only knows how you would miscast THAT comment.

with this new job, well, it seemed that the likelihood that you and fonzie would be motorcycling over the fish tank was a remote one, especially given the fact that you seemed so happy and excited for the new job.

all of this of course is predicated upon our first real interaction, which you so quietly never mention, in the diary where you were absolutely as anti-semitic and bizarre and inappropriate as anyone could be.

but to the point of your flame-out over at that other site let me be clear here --> you are an adult.  act like one.  take responsibility for how you catalyzed your troll ratings.  they were not suddenly and unexpectedly showered upon you for no reason.  they were merely just the same ratings you had already previously earned by your own refusal to stop being such a pompous and petulant ass.

you were advised to stop peddling BAD legal advice when you are admittedly not a lawyer.  the zimmerman support you demonstrated on that site was wrong.  you propped up a charlatan.  and you were called on it.

for some unknown reason, you decided that the advice from lawyers on the site was ignore-able.  and that the evidence others brought to bear upon your promoting of that charlatan was also ignore-able.

Or you can read my legal diaries here on dkos and then you can figure out where to go on your own. $500 for a two week [zimmerman] seminar of 10-11 hour days and you will know exactly how to save your home.

When you read my diaries many law types around here trashed it. I don't know what your past experience with lawyers is but mine has been extensive (real estate stuff) and very few of them have been good and only two excellent. And all were expensive.

your hubris is what paved your exit from that site, not some kind of conspiracy or plot hatched between and amongst people there.

on your own time, and not in a community blog setting, you can continue to click your heels three times and fall asleep in poppy fields.  but once you enter the land of reality-based and evidence-based blogging, you need to play by the same rules as the rest of the adults here. 

i have no desire to engage with you on the meritless-ness of your claims here any longer.  just step off.

still pissed off?  create your own blog.  when you control the blog,  you control the reality. 



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Knew I'd get you big mouthed mother fucker (0.00 / 1)
and while equally you are entitled to fabricate and invent reality whenever it suits your purpose, you can't all of the sudden walk away from the consequences of your fabrications and baseless assertions.  especially when the reality you fabricate is so easily shown to be just huff and puff.

So maybe you need to read stonemason's diary on mortgage foreclosure where she says the same thing I did that you and your cabal trolled me for, accused me of mortgage scams, bad advice, leading people astray, etc and just generally smearing my good name.

Link to stonemason's diary as above which you probably didn't even study for accuracy. : http://www.dailykos.... stonemason

You will notice that your cabal friend majorflaw, marcus tullius got squashed in the face for their bad legal advice. Adam B ,supposedly Kos's site lawyer (if so, he needs a new one)wasn't there to intervene and get told he was also wrong.

So yes I decided the advice from the lawyers on dkos was crap and to be ignored. So for you I would say "question authority" because they were all wrong and I was right.

When you read my diaries many law types around here trashed it. I don't know what your past experience with lawyers is but mine has been extensive (real estate stuff) and very few of them have been good and only two excellent. And all were expensive.

All I can say about the above is that when you have more than a million dollars in real estate it doesn't run all by itself like a laundromat washing machine. (They don't either but that's another story.)

Here are my legal diaries and anyone who wishes to consult them for their own benefit or just to check on facts here are the links:

legal seminar day 1

http://www.dailykos....

day 2

http://www.dailykos....

day 2 and 3

http://www.dailykos....

day 5

http://www.dailykos....

And honey, I have not yet begun. You are going to go down with them so distance yourself.

still pissed off?  create your own blog.  when you control the blog,  you control the reality.
And what utter bullshit this is. But it is the reason for the Barry Dillers, the John Malones, the Ted Turners of this world.


[ Parent ]
thanks! (0.00 / 0)
you have no idea how much i appreciated the snark here.  having come off a really vexing week, i was in dire need of a good laugh.

your post proved just the tonic, so thank you!

:)

my mom has not said anything funny for a while now


[ Parent ]
abbeysbrooks, please stop this. (0.00 / 0)

First of all, we have rules about namecalling around here.

Seond: Just take it somewhere else, okay? I really don't appreciate people using this blog as a compost heap for fights they've had on OTHER blogs. It stinks up the joint.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
Okay, I know this took place on Friday... (0.00 / 0)

So I'm going to keep this short:

I don't want to see ANY MORE of this shit on this blog. Okay?

Okay.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
ok. n/t (0.00 / 0)


my mom has not said anything funny for a while now

[ Parent ]
Here's another rout you were involved in (0.00 / 0)
against Rusty for supporting Cindy Sheehan

Link: http://64.233.169.10...

You all got lots and lots of recs for attacking Rusty


[ Parent ]
calmly. judiciously. (0.00 / 0)
this has become your priapism.

seek appropriate care.

my mom has not said anything funny for a while now


[ Parent ]
It would be advisable for you to stay away (0.00 / 0)
from that group of trolls or you will sink with them. Many others are now on to them. And waiting.

[ Parent ]
apparently you didn't hear the clue phone ringing. n/t (0.00 / 0)


my mom has not said anything funny for a while now

[ Parent ]
And just this past weekend (0.00 / 0)
You were traveling with the cabal against ben bang.

Here's the link: http://www.dailykos....

Now everyone can check the threads and see your collusion with them. You accuse of stalking and then get hoisted by your own petard by a pro, ben bang.

It looked like he was alone and so fair game for all of you to amass a million recs if nothing else. I would have been there if not banned which, of course, was what you had in mind when you all kept trolling me.

seek appropriate care.

This attacking someone's mental stability is a favorite with your trolling troll group. As for me I don't consider obsessive behavior a fault. It's good Dostoievsky didn't live in these times and a bunch of others too.

I repeat. I haven't even started on you yet. I want a public apology in a rec diary with all your names in it begging for my forgiveness. And promising never to do it again to anyone else. Because, believe me, you are never going to do it to anyone else anyway. Trust me on this. If you can hack me you can be hacked using the same techniques.

Thanks for the memories..........


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once again, much obliged here! (0.00 / 0)
i am feeling a hell of a lot better now having laughed my ass of with these posts abbey.

thank you for brightening up the close of my really awful week!

:)

my mom has not said anything funny for a while now


[ Parent ]
Here's a little snippet of a sequence from it (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
Maryscott (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't critisizing.  I did an ad in a language PFFers can understand.  Relax.

Seriously... R.E.L.A.X.

R.  E.  L.  A.  X. 

Before your next show...  Take 20-40 minutes and imagine how you want to feel as you give your show.  Amplify that feeling just a bit, and hold it for as long as you can to the 40 minutes.

I'm just trying to help.  But I do eat enough salad I may smell like a douchebag anyways.

(and I've been on stage before thousands many times)


Lather, rinse, repeat. n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Ever notice how telling an agitated person to "relax" (8.80 / 5)

almost always serves to enflame them further?

Don't do it.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
That thread (9.00 / 2)
was typical pffffff.  Like the one on me.

It amazes me that months after my last visit there (and yours for you) that they are still so taken with us.

I mean how pathetic is it to be absorbed by ME of all people?  LMAO.

I mean reallllly!

The one thing I found bothersome is when someone on your thread said something about success for the site going down, like they had a part in it?

Can they really effect that?


[ Parent ]
This is mass media behavior (0.00 / 0)
and what Chomsky means about self-censorship in his book on Media  the title of which I am blocking at the moment because I am angry.

Many are on kos because of its mass name recognition that they hope wil stick on them.

And many do not write anything of value as they troll for trolls.


[ Parent ]
You mean because it's a control freak (9.67 / 6)
and abuser behavior, often employed by people who have inspired your outrage in the first place? It's right up there with "Where's your sense of humor?" for me. Never tell someone else what they should feel or that their emotions are "wrong." Why is this hard?

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

[ Parent ]
Because feelings lie (2.75 / 4)
Emotions are not real.  Thoughts are not real.

[ Parent ]
What a buncha crap. (8.00 / 4)
Condescend some more why doncha.

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

[ Parent ]
Emotions are not "real"? (8.00 / 2)
Thoughts are not "real"?

Oh, pyrrho!

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[ Parent ]
Only us negatively suggestible ones (8.00 / 1)
The obedient ones are not bothered.

And just think how Bush feels when contronted with a mic when he has absolutely nothing to say and no words either.


[ Parent ]
d3n4l1... (9.17 / 6)

If you are truly sincere, then I apologise for calling you a douchebag.

But your title: "Maryscott: blah blah blah blah..."

and the post's content, for god's sake -- look, talking to the blog's denizens "on their own level" or some such nonsense -- that sounds to me like pandering or sucking up (or rather, DOWN, since those people are about as low as you can get).

It was hurtful and rude. And it invited people to BE hurtful and rude, in turn. There was NOTHING substantive about it; certainly NO constructive criticism. SImply a characterisation of me and my show as being empty blather.

In other words, it came across as douchebaggery written by a douchebag. If you're sincere in claiming that you meant no harm, then I'll take you at your word -- but take me at my word when I tell you that it was a blunder of monstrous proportions, if it was meant as a "gentle ribbing" of sorts.

Another thing: Telling someone who is angry and/or agitated to "relax" almost NEVER works. In fact, in my experience, it virtually always serves to exacerbate an already enflamed situation.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
meant to post this last night... (0.00 / 0)

... thought I'd lost it, so I posted a short version... then I found it, so I deleted the short version... but DI had already responded to the relax comment, so I'm leaving it there... anyway, long explanation for stupid misshap.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

[ Parent ]
If there is a fork in the road (0.00 / 0)
always remember you have a choice of which fork to go down.  And if you're lost you can always ask for directions.

[ Parent ]
or you can pick (0.00 / 0)
up the fork, and eat.

[ Parent ]
Just as long as you don't run with it! (7.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Haven't I seen you with majorflaw,bluevertigo, (0.00 / 0)
and the rest of them? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[ Parent ]
I understand what you were doing, d3. (11.00 / 1)
You were contrasting MSOC's nervousness with the calming Buddhist music and imagery in the embedded video.

It didn't work, tho.

Your title was an invitation for mockery and I bet most people didn't even watch the video.

You message was RELAX.

But the message got lost within a general atmosphere of hostility because you didn't execute it right.

You needed a title that didn't invite mockery and you needed some sort of introduction to the video so that people would have a reason to click on it.

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[ Parent ]
Oh? (1.00 / 6)
And her radio program isn't an invitation for mockery?  Or is it just a radio program?  Or was it just a diary about her radio program? 

I wasn't trying to execute anything.

Do you really need pyrrho to answer your ambiguity about feelings?


[ Parent ]
This is utterly nonsensical. (10.00 / 3)
And her radio program isn't an invitation for mockery?

No.

Or is it just a radio program?

Yes. 

Or was it just a diary about her radio program?

It was an invitation to mockery.  You either realize that or you don't.  If you don't, then you're an idiot.  If you do, then you're a douche bag.  (Seems to be a popular word these days.)

Do you really need pyrrho to answer your ambiguity about feelings?

Ambiguity about feelings?  What the fuck are you talking about?

You said that feelings and thoughts aren't "real."  I find that hysterical!  It's probably one of the dumber statements that I've read in awhile, actually, because if feelings and thoughts are not real consciousness itself is not real.

Moronic.

Anyway, I laughed out loud at the stupidity of such a statement and it made me think of pyrrho because of pyrrho's love of philosophy.

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[ Parent ]
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (1.00 / 1)
"And her radio program isn't an invitation for mockery?"  No, it's not...

Neither was the diary I wrote about it.  But you know what?  No matter how many times I say that, there are some of you that are always going to distort things into what your false emotions tell you is real about it, and you'll only see what your feelings tell you to see.

History has shown us, the more powerful feelings are, the more defensive the posture of them, the more people fall into the same set of feelings, like on this blog or any other blog, the more that shared reality, or insanity, is going to be defended.

You mean to tell me everything a person is afraid of is real?

Really?

Are you still afraid of whats in your closet at night?  Shouldn't we all agree on what we're afraid of then?  We don't.  That must mean someone's feelings aren't real.

Feelings are NOT real.

I feel pretty strongly about that.


[ Parent ]
Riiiiggghhht... (10.00 / 2)
What people feel isn't real, but you're the real deal. You can dispense whatever crap you want and if people have a problem with it, it's because of their distortion. Undermining other people's instincts is a game predators play. You really should read Gavin de Becker's "Gift of Fear." If there's anything I loathe, it's someone who mocks and insults a person and them tells them they're fucked up because they feel a normal human response to being mocked and insulted. It's a power play and it's quite transparent.

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

[ Parent ]
"Undermining other people's instincts is a game predators play." (0.00 / 0)
A. Does that always apply when someone when someone points out to someone else that they've misunderstood their intentions?  Always?

B. Could it be that my intentions had no intention?  That I am simply being my usual smartassed barking dog self. 

C. Is it possible that I am right, that your view of reality is distorted?

D. Is anybody's perception of reality not distorted?

E. You mean to tell me everything a person is afraid of is real?

F. Are you still afraid of whats in your closet at night?  Shouldn't we all agree on what we're afraid of then? 

G. We don't.  That must mean someone's feelings aren't real.



[ Parent ]
First of all, (0.00 / 0)
you're confusing thoughts and feelings. (If I think something is in the closet and there isn't, I'm mistaken. Fear is still the appropriate emotional response to the perception that something is in the closet.) Secondly, it's arguable that everyone's perceptions of reality are distorted, It's also arguable that reality is completely relative and everyone's perceptions are correct. Those are philosophical questions and unanswerable to a point of certainty. As to the rest of it, you're playing games and you're being very cavalier about the effect of your games on another person, so, and I mean this sincerely, fuck off.

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

[ Parent ]
"I wasn't trying (6.00 / 3)
to hurt your feelings, just playing to the pff audience" in one sentence, then this utter disparaging bullshit in the next?

WTF?  No credibility, just douchebaggery.


[ Parent ]
Oh yeah (2.00 / 4)
another thing.  I forget this often myself, sometimes because I like the effect.  Not everyone had verbally abusive parents, so try not to sound like one when you're mad.  It freaks people that aren't familiar with that vernacular the fuck out. ;)

a "qualified" success? (0.00 / 0)
hardly "qualified."

you did it.
you.
did.
it.

hardly a "qualified " success.

a success.  full stop.

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Well hello (1.00 / 2)
I saw your comments on ben bang this weekend. The link is above if you forget. majorflaw and all the rest were there too. And you got a lot of recs from majorflaw and the rest of them for attacking ben bang after the words in his diary were twisted. Or should I say swiftboated. But he handled it all like the pro he is. No easy scapegoat him.

Oh, the links on mortgage foreclosure that was posted so beautifully recently is up there too. He says the same thing I said that got me troll rated by you and the rest of the cabal (comments hidden and autobanned too). You remember on those legal seminars I diaried about? But if you check your precious majorflaw came out of it with egg on his face. You know the pontiferous real estate lawyer that he says he is. Well his face got squashed in for trying the same thing on stonemason. ticket punch was there with MF looking dumb as usual as his only claim to distinction is that he travels with a presently powerful group that are brownshirt policing dkos and getting people autobanned  but at least hiding their comments and the dirty work that went with them into oblivion. But on his own, nada.

You are judged by the company you keep.


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Needless cruelty (0.00 / 0)
Seems to be all the thing in America today, and the anonymity of blogs, particularly with the use of sock-puppetry (which, I shouldn't have to explain but apparently do, is an entirely different thing from the use of a permanently  changed handle). 

There was a recent episode of of this which personally affected me, in which a well-known blog figure used a sockpuppet to spam-attack the website of an internet rival, and then casually in the midst of that spam-attack pivoted and launched a strictly personalized attack on a relatively marginal user of that website, who had never done the attacker any particular wrong, who in fact had remained relatively friendly despite an earlier pattern of political attacks.  (As you might guess, the person personally attacked by the sock-puppet spammer was me.) 

Sigh, just another case of needless (and pointless!) internet/blogosphere cruelty.  Happens all the time, only sad thing is when the perp is someone you expect much much better of, and then they add additional insult to you by thinking you're so stupid you can't figure out who it was that launched the personalized attack.  I don't even have to be any genius to figure out who made the attack on me from behind their sockpuppet, when I put the necessary pieces together it could only have been one person, there is nobody else that had all the necessary elements to make that attack.  Being able to identify who it was that made the personal attack on me also means I can identify that same person who engaged in the larger, and quite disgusting, spam-attack.  Revealing who engaged in that behavior would be quite damaging to the reputation of that person in the larger blogosphere, for as I said, it was someone fairly prominent.  And yet, at least for now I choose not to out that person, because I do not share the prevalent culture of personal vendetta that dominates the blogs, and that motivates the sort of personal attack made on me, although what serious wrong I ever did my attacker to warrant that level of attack is quite beyond me.  Have I made political criticisms of the person that attacked me?  Certainly, yes, I'm known for being quite blunt and outspoken politically; but then, I first became acquainted with the blogger in question when subjected to a political attack  by that person quite out of the blue, and I somehow managed not to make a personal vendetta, did not engage in a pattern of online personal destruction of that person, in response to the political criticism. 

I think at root is a vast immaturity which has suffused our entire culture, and a huge part of that immaturity is the sense that if a person disagrees with what I think, not only can they not possibly be right, but we are then justified in seeking to destroy that person's online existance.  Clearly this is the pattern that drives the behavior of KosKops; sadly, it casts its shadow well beyond that foetid school.


Maryscott, the look (5.00 / 1)
Dear Maryscott . . .

I have been absorbed in a project.  I read a statement that I meant to comment on.  I believe you stated older face, newer hair cut.  Since Americans seem absorbed in Hillary's cleavage, Katie Couric's clothes, and possibly your face, I must say, I prefer the current you.

I do not think the skin looks older or worn for wear.  The latest photograph, for me, beams brilliance.  The light within and throughout shines.  Superficially, or not, I think you look sensational, more real, even "perky," while thoughtful.

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