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The Flying McStain: Just Unlucky, Or A Really Rotten Pilot?

by: konopelli

Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:10:07 AM PST





(H/t, P.O'Neill)
He "lost" five aircraft.
No, really.
Seems, even then, he was a big supporter of the the "war bidness," personally accounting for 5 wrecked, crashed, or shot-down jet fighters.
No, really.
Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school.  He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.
John Kerry managed to bring his boat home every time.

Oh, and speaking of John Kerry...



 

konopelli :: The Flying McStain: Just Unlucky, Or A Really Rotten Pilot?



...and then of medals:
"(In his 23 missions,) McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat (and just about one-and-a-quarter per mission, Ed.). There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."
Only the one event, on the Forrestal, was utterly and unambiguously an accident. There's certainly room for 'pilot error' in all the rest.
And hao 'bout all dem medals? Woweeee...Is it ungenerous to imagine that McStain abjured to enter the Swift-boat debate over Kerry's medals (a Silver Star, a couple of Bronze Stars) because his own decorations were so spurious, and he knew it?



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"I'll hire half the working class to kill off the other half."-- Jay Gould, robber-baron  

If he had 23 missions and 20 combat hours... (7.50 / 2)
how many total flight hours did McCain have at that time?

I guy I worked with had about 100 (helicopter) hours when we graduated flight school and was sent to Vietnam - he served 2 tours and had about 2000 flight hours by the end of that time. He also sustained bodily injury once while being shot in the testicles from ground fire.

I was a pilot in college and collected 60 flight hours.

So, how many flight hours did McCain have total?

If you are skilled, you do NOT loose 5 airplanes.

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[ Parent ]
It looks as if... (6.00 / 1)
the swiftboating of St. McCain has begun.  I wonder how he'll enjoy it now that the shoe is on the other foot.

"I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance." William Faulkner

About as much... (6.00 / 1)
as the Democrats enjoyed it when it was being done to their nominee.

Is this really the road we need to go down?

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[ Parent ]
McStain's gonna run on HIS competence. (0.00 / 0)
A competent pilot doesn't lose four valuable airplanes, only one of which was lost in combat.

I think it's kinda chilling that the last occupant of the WhiteHouse and one of the current aspirants to it were both basically failed fighter pilots...Cuz anymore, usually it's Air Force officers--fighter pilots--who lead the coups de main...

"I'll hire half the working class to kill off the other half."-- Jay Gould, robber-baron  


[ Parent ]
I think his record in Congress (6.00 / 1)
since 1982 should provide enough fodder without stooping to critiquing his flying skills.  

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[ Parent ]
It's not his record you need to impugn. (0.00 / 0)
Murkins don't give a shit about records, except the Guinness kind.

I heard Howard Dean telling Ed Schultz a couple of months ago: "Murkins (well, he said "Americans," but the implication was clear) select their candidates on the basis of character and values."

Even though it makes about as much sense as selecting your leaders on the basis of the number of magic fucking beans they SAY they have in their pockets, I think this it utterly, indisputably, irrefutably true. How else do you explain the popularity of the two Dim "exotics"? It's not on the basis of their programs or platforms. It is in virtue of "who" they are.

I promise you that the attacks by their opponents will not scruple to undermine the public personae, no matter the nominee is.

This is now the Iron Law of Mediated Political Campaigning: To have any effect, any attack on any opponent must impugn her/his character or values. The public has no memory for records that do not include them, and little understanding of when their interests truly are intruded upon, in any case.


"I'll hire half the working class to kill off the other half."-- Jay Gould, robber-baron  


[ Parent ]
So let's assist in the dumbing down? (0.00 / 0)
In any event, if he's got any brains left in that old head of his all he'll say is that the five years he spent in a Vietnamese POW camp did wonders for his character.



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[ Parent ]
One year each for each plane he lost? Brilliant! (7.00 / 1)


"I'll hire half the working class to kill off the other half."-- Jay Gould, robber-baron  

[ Parent ]
if it were relevant... (0.00 / 0)
... I would not be against using it.

It's just that since I don't think being a great fighter pilot makes you competent to be president, I also don't think being a lousy one makes you incompetent.

-pyrrho-


[ Parent ]
Well, of all the fighter pilots ever to become president--2 so far-- (0.00 / 0)
one (G41) was barely adequate, and the other (G43) has been an unmitigated disaster. So there's a 50/50 chance. Are you up for it?

"I'll hire half the working class to kill off the other half."-- Jay Gould, robber-baron  

[ Parent ]
Though in one sense, i do agree with you (0.00 / 0)
it's not the sort of thing you make an issue of. It IS the kind of thing you just sorta drop into a conversation in the pub, though.

"I'll hire half the working class to kill off the other half."-- Jay Gould, robber-baron  

[ Parent ]
hah (0.00 / 0)
ok, I agree with that... it's a factoid I probably won't forget.

-pyrrho-

[ Parent ]
Only The Five? (6.00 / 1)
We should be better than those nasty old Republicans and not bring this up at all. Maybe the guy merely suffers a luck deficit.

[ Parent ]
I don't care (9.50 / 4)


-pyrrho-



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