Wednesday Open Thread, Part Deux

Since the traffic has increased so much of late... (9.40 / 5)

I figured we could use an extra Open Thread once in a while.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:18:03 PM CDT

I think it would have been more fun (7.20 / 5)

to front-page the "Palin a VP for all Citizens" essay.

Or Jar Jar Binks.

And that's why it's your blog, not mine.  

Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:29:12 PM CDT

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A comedy of errors? (6.00 / 1)

Dearest Maryscott . . .

It never seems to end.  This is the medias fault, or so the Republicans claim.  As I said aloud days ago, were it not for the seriousness of the situation, she could be considered a cartoon character.  Her story is almost comical.  Indeed, for me, even John McCain is and was laughable as a viable candidate.  

At moments such as these, I am always reminded of Peggy Noonan and her narrative.  While in college, she wrote in The Reagan Revolution she was on a bus with countless students and Professor.  They traveled to a peace protest.  As she sat among the many a young Miss Noonan mused; they are all a bunch of intellectuals.  Once the observation was made, she notes, she decided she was not like them.  She was a Republican.

For many Republicans, to be part of the Grand Old Party is to be bright, "right," and real.  They are practical people.  They understand the "rules."  The phrase is, "You are either with us or against us."  

I cringe when I hear a Progressive pose that posture.  I am joyous when a Republican, such as a woman I met at a Michele Obama event says; she and her husband consider themselves intellectuals.  That is why she and he re-registered.  This wondrous woman spoke of what she thought John McCain had done that was dishonorable.  She said his actions were the reason she would not, could not vote for John McCain.  I wonder what the person I met at that affair thinks today.


It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull . . . Betsy
BeThink.org

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by: Betsy L. Angert @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:22:52 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Maryscott adopts the Palin/McCain Energy Plan Approach (7.25 / 4)

need more open threads? Just keep drilling!

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

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by: Paul in San Francisco @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:28:18 PM CDT

I have GOT to walk away from this computer for a while, man. (7.67 / 6)

I feel like my ass is FUSED to this chair.

You guys can handle it for a while, right? I mean, come on, this site pretty much ran without me for over a YEAR -- and that was with a banshee at the helm.

Okay, that was WRONG. SO wrong. And yet... I am not deleting it. What is wrong with me? I need a break. I need a break. Taking a break. See me? This is me, taking a break...

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:29:42 PM CDT

Banshee (0.00 / 0)

is the kindest possible thing you could say without being revealed as a blatant ass-kisser.

HTH.

Pee for your Corporate Overlords

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by: digdugboy @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:54:35 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I think Carlin was right all along: (9.00 / 1)

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:55:20 PM CDT

And with that... (9.00 / 1)

Now I really AM taking a break.

I SWEAR.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:56:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Maryscott's gone (7.00 / 5)

Let's everybody talk about I/P!!!!!

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

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by: Paul in San Francisco @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 14:41:55 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

What the hell is this? (6.60 / 5)

A Zionist coup?

Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 14:46:53 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Since Maryscott is away, and it's I/P time (6.50 / 4)

JoeBi on Israel and AIPAC:

In a teleconference held with members of the Jewish press on Wednesday Delaware Senator and Democratic Party Vice Presidential nominee Joseph Biden said that Israel must remain a strong ally of the United States, however its decisions "must be made in Jerusalem".

snip

In a teleconference held with members of the Jewish press on Wednesday Delaware Senator and Democratic Party Vice Presidential nominee Joseph Biden said that Israel must remain a strong ally of the United States, however its decisions "must be made in Jerusalem".

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/s...

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

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by: Paul in San Francisco @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 15:18:00 PM CDT

Could they possibly have LEFT this live mike stuff on and LEAKED it to youtube... (7.25 / 4)

... NAH.

I mean...

NAH.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:09:06 PM CDT

I think yes, maryscott (7.00 / 2)

it gains back some of the cred they lose saying what they're paid to say....

"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

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by: durrati @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:24:03 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

McCain is delusional (8.00 / 2)

He's being interviewed by Charlie Gibson, king of the softballers.  When asked about her foreign policy experience, he repeated the "Alaska is next to Russia" line, and said she's more qualified than any of the other potential VP candidates he could have chosen--Ridge, Romney, et al. He's practically gushing when he defends her credentials.

He sounds smitten.


Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:29:45 PM CDT

McCain sounds smitten? (7.00 / 2)

Or Gibson sounds smitten?

It's a fair question -- Gibson being the great fellator he's always been.

Fellator? Fellater?  Since it's a made-up word, do I get to choose?

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:31:58 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

McCain (7.00 / 1)

Gibson didn't follow up on a single one of McCain's non-answers, but McCain sat there with a goofy grin on his face extolling her virtues.

The transcript is up already.  Here are a couple of cherry-picked quotes:

I mean, she's got an incredible resume, including a beautiful family and a wonderful, loving, caring family. So I will think that, over time, people will compare her accomplishments with that of Sen. Obama, and his are very meager.

And one of the key elements of America's national security requirements are energy. She understands the energy issues better than anybody I know in Washington, D.C., and she understands.

Alaska is right next to Russia. She understands that.

You say fellater, I say fellator, let's call the whole thing off.

Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:17:00 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

California is next to Mexico (7.56 / 9)

I guess that qualifies me to be President.

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by: eugene @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:32:51 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

fuck you, eugene (7.00 / 4)

HAH!

I KNEW you'd come here today! I had it bubbling up in me, and I WASTED it on JAR JAR!

But there's always more "fuck you, eugene."

Always more.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:36:32 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Hah (7.00 / 1)

Trust your sixth sense.

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by: eugene @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:38:52 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

The water carrier returns (3.00 / 1)

Did I say that in one of my dailykos incarnations?

Yes, I think I did.

Pee for your Corporate Overlords

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by: digdugboy @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:58:44 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

You really need (8.00 / 2)

a pregnant teenage daughter to cement your family values credibility before you can run.

Perhaps seeing Juno would be good enough.  

Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:19:32 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Wrong Eugene (7.00 / 1)

My friend Carlos tells me that California is part of Mexico.

sorry, you don't qualify.

(TWIMC:  I offer this in the spirit of jocularity.)

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:30:47 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

McCain is like a dog in heat around Palin (5.33 / 3)

It's disgusting, watch how he looks at her, watch how she moves away and ends his insistent hugs quickly.  

Creepy shit that, now I'm waiting for the SQUAT TEAM, admit it, that was a little bit funny, lol.

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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by: caliberal @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:55:58 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Oh, shit, cali, you don't know that. n.t (7.00 / 1)

Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:03:46 AM CDT

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Yep Karma, I know these things (7.25 / 4)

I do, I know these things, you'll see, yep.  

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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by: caliberal @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:32:18 AM CDT

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This is just silly. (0.00 / 0)

You're not suggesting that McCain chose Palin because... well... he wants to jump her bones?

I just don't get the point.

Does he find her attractive?

Sure.  Probably.  She is/was.

But what does this mean?




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:38:45 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Karma, I'm not saying McCain (5.50 / 4)

that's why he chose Palin, in fact I think McCain had very little say in who the VP pick would be, but do I believe him when he says he's thrilled with the pick, yup, and do I think it creepy that he calls her his soulmate, yup.

But more than that, it's the leering way he looks at her, the need to touch her even as she moves away, he moves in, he looks at her ass, it's disgusting and yes I do know these things, I'd venture to say that many women know these things.

What does it mean?  It means that John McCain is a misogynist, it means he's a dirty fucking old man, it means that he's sexist to his very core, it means he can't control himself even when the press is there because he doesn't think he has to, he's another one of 'those' men who treat women like objects and worse, men who think they have the right to do with us what they will.

I was being a little glib in my first comment but this is not glib, you wanted to know what it all means, that's what it all means.

Don't take my word for it, ask around, see if other women feel the same way.

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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by: caliberal @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 11:08:14 AM CDT

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cali, you may very well be right. (6.00 / 3)

To be perfectly honest I don't think I've even seen any footage, yet, of McCain with Palin.

I've been avoiding this shit like the plague.

So, he leered at her?

Before I was disgusted, now I'm just creeped out.




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 11:13:54 AM CDT

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oh, cali, I didn't need to hear that (7.60 / 5)

Yuck.

Fucking yuck.

Blech.

I am thoroughly skeeved out.

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:24:57 AM CDT

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Palin is brilliant (7.14 / 7)

This is going to work out perfectly for Obama. Here's why.

Obama was always going to have a hard time getting attention this week given the RNC. The best he could have hoped for, pre-Palin, was that McCain gets a weak bounce and can't push out a strong message.

Well he hit the jackpot. Sarah Palin is dominating the coverage and not in a good way. Her multiple scandals is making McCain look like an idiot, driving undecideds away from the ticket, and drowning out whatever message the GOP was trying to push this week. Instead of the media talking about the latest smear against Obama they're obsessed with the Palin soap opera.

Sarah's speech tonight will dominate coverage, and it doesn't matter whether it goes well or badly - it still will overcome whatever anti-Obama message they want to push. McCain's speech will be a dud, and then Obama can reclaim momentum while McCain is wounded with a crappy VP pick and a Republican Party more convinced than ever that their nominee sucks.

It's a tragedy that one of the most important elections in our history turned on a small-town theocon and her bizarre family, but if it means the defeat of McCain I'll take it.

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by: eugene @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:38:04 PM CDT

Palin, and John McCain, are brilliant! (6.00 / 2)

Dearest Eugene . . .

When I saw your title, I was there with you.  Sarah Palin, and John McCain, are brilliant!

Then as I read you thoughts, I realized you had faith this would work well for Obama.  Oh how I wish it were so.  I fear it is not.  I think McCain was wise in the same sly ways Bush and Cheney have always been.  To say I am scared is an understatement!


It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull . . . Betsy
BeThink.org

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by: Betsy L. Angert @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:32:44 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Hey e, Palin made a huge mistake when ... (8.25 / 4)

she criticized the media, they were already on her trail but she stepped way over the 'let's try not to be an idiot' line, a sarcastic throw away line in a speech with a voice that is cringe-worthy, it will come back to haunt her and the imbeciles that are trying to make all of this nonsense look like an actual campaign.

I agree with e on hitting the jackpot, the media is going to be obsessed with finding the goods on Palin. McCain has been taking shots at the media on his own, this just crystallizes it for them.  The message will be hidden under layers and layers of lies and half truths, ain't life grand sometimes?  

Are we having fun yet?

I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.  

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by: caliberal @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:07:52 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

And yet another twist... (4.80 / 5)

The newest rumor hitting the airwaves is that Track Palin had a choice between joining the Army and going to jail.

At some point, one cannot help but think that perhaps Ms. Palin has been putting her political career above the needs of her kids.

Obama 2012.  Because he didn't piss off enough people the first time around.

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by: Joools @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:41:02 PM CDT

I can't seem to find anything about that on-line. (0.00 / 0)

Not yet, anyway.

Did you hear any details, Joools?




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:49:26 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

It was I think the local NPR affliate (5.00 / 2)

and she said that Track was involved in vandalism in Wasilla a couple years ago, that Wooten, the trooper who was married to Palin's sister,may have been assigned to the case, and that Track joined the Army to avoid jail.

I think that's about all they said about that.

Obama 2012.  Because he didn't piss off enough people the first time around.

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by: Joools @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:55:29 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Plausible denability (0.00 / 0)

They get something out of the Palin selection.  They get the opportunity to call it a "close race".  Either manchurian will suit the Illuminati as the insignificance of the US government is largely irrelevant in this global world.

Surfing the Apocalypse-So you don't have to!

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by: Lasthorseman @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:25:47 PM CDT

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What point would that be? (5.86 / 7)

When she decided to continue as governor while trying to care for a newborn with Down's Syndrome?

When she decided to run for VP while trying to care for a newborn with Down's Syndrome?

Or when she decided to run for VP knowing that her 17-year old unwed daughter is 5 months pregnant?

This woman projects a folksy, down home charm kind of thing, but I know her type.  She won't stick a knife in your back, she'll tap you on the shoulder to get you to turn around, and then she'll drive that blade into your chest from the front, twisting and pushing the blade...because she gets off on seeing the blood bubble out of your mouth while the life drains from your eyes.

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

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by: Paul in San Francisco @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:37:30 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Yes, i heard a variant of that (4.00 / 2)

I think it was on CNN a couple of days ago, when someone suggested that because she had "young kids" she should refuse the job and stay home to take care of the kids.

The female people on at that time, and after, and on other networks didn't like that at all.  They wondered if the same argument would be made for a male candidate.

At one point, I can't rememberwhere, one female asked another "Do you think that was sexismn."  The other roared back, "Darn right it's sexism."

Me, id say that it is proof positive that Palin's husband is putting his career ahead of raising the kids.

(You know, folks, I am just passing this along.  I DO think it is something interesting to contemplate.  Do we have a double standard for the sexes still?  Not trying to prove anything, just raise a question raised elsewhere.)

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:38:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I didn't say anything about her having "young kids." (8.25 / 4)

That is not at all what I said.

I will change my last sentence to include her husband.  I have reached the point at which I think she and her husband have failed their kids in some way.  One kid allegedly involved in vandalism, another pregnant with a self-described fucking redneck's kid -- I am beginning to have some serious doubts about their parenting skills.  

What you are reporting -- that a woman with young kids should stay at home -- is not an argument that I would ever make.  I have met plenty of women and their kids who are much better off with mommy at work and the kids with nannies or in day care. I have even met women who should never have had kids.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer for moms and kids.  

Obama 2012.  Because he didn't piss off enough people the first time around.

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by: Joools @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:02:22 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

hat I said was (0.00 / 0)

that i heard a variant where "someone" (obviously not you) suggested that because she had young kids.......

I hadn't heard the most recent smear in full at the time.  the incident I am referring to is a day or two old.

One kid allegedly involved in vandalism, another pregnant with a self-described fucking redneck's kid -- I am beginning to have some serious doubts about their parenting skills.  

I believe that parents get too much credit when kids turn out all right, and they get too much blame when they turn out bad.

And I am shocked, SHOCKED that anyone here would think there is anything wrong with the kid getting pregnant.  (I wouldn't be shocked if they could explain the practical difficulties,you understand.)

Ihad a friend both of whose daughters got pregnant in high school, at 17.  He tells me, "you know, at that age they're going to have to start making decisions for themselves, and sometimes they make wrong ones."  He just gave them all the support he could.  I didn't count him a bad parent.

btw, did they still have the town (i forget which one, it's a west side suburb of Phoenix) where the parents of teenagers who got in trouble paid the fine?  I was working at Adobe when that came in.  Some of those kids were salivating.  i would  have, too.  A chance to have a little fun, maybe steal some beer and drink a little, stay out past curfew, and screw the old man all at the same time!

Anyway, I don't have nearly the information i wold need to judge her and her husband as parents, and whether or not their teenage kids got into a little trouble would be a minor part of it.

If they turned out like some of the families i had at Adobe, then i might start to wonder.


"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:42:51 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Mad (9.00 / 1)

you mean parents are like quarterbacks?

'Cuz if so, then I'm Bret Fuckin' Favre.

DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:59:48 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

great comparison (9.00 / 1)

brett was a quarterback with not the greatest of skills, but who always had the smarts to put the ball in the hands of players who could do something with it.

He knew to trust his teammates.


"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:29:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Whoa. (7.00 / 1)

You know what?  I forgot I am not interested in talking to you any more.


Obama 2012.  Because he didn't piss off enough people the first time around.

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by: Joools @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:43:31 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

original idea... (0.00 / 0)

someone painted the Repug platform on a placard and is displaying it over David Gregory's right shoulder on MSNBC:

LAST DAYS

LAST CHANCE

ESCAPE HELL

OBEY JESUS!

Shit, that and Sarah's big ole Ta-Tas have me rethinking my vote....

Dis anyone notice Freb Thompson brought up Corvettes and Strippers in last night's nob job on McCain?

Now, why did he do that before a Red Sea of Fundies?

Palin's pick obviously demonstrates that McCain's Camp doesn't like their internal numbers.

But if they go negative on O they can expect retaliation.

Freb got ahead of the curve.

If McCain goes dirty O and friends have plenty of Ammo to return fire.

"Maverick" is code for whoremaster.

Will fundies follow after that?  

"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

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by: durrati @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:18:13 PM CDT

Collaborator (0.00 / 2)

Palin is a sideshow.

What about all the comparisions between McCain and Hanoi Jane.

Jane sat on a ack ack gun.

McCain gave up honor, broke the code of conduct for some comfort.

And forward defense, why didn't he shoot it out and do some forward defending when he got his multi million sled shot out of the sky?

Whimp.  

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by: retltcol @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 18:28:43 PM CDT

WHAT???? (9.00 / 2)

What the FUCK are you talking about?

Where the FUCK did THAT come from?

WHo the FUCK cares about whatever the FUCK McCain did in his goddamned jetplane in Vietnam THIRTYFIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO?

I give as much of a SHIT about what McCain did in Vietnam as I did about what Kerry did.

Exactly fucking ZERO.

John McCain is QUITE enough of a bulshit candidate in his own right HERE and fucking NOW, thank you very much.

Get the FUCK out of here with your goddamned COLLABORATOR bullshit.

DISGRACEFUL.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:12:32 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

"some comfort." (9.00 / 2)

Some COMFORT... in a fucking POW cell.

jesus fucking hussein christ.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:13:18 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I love the "hussein" epithet. (9.00 / 1)

You're my hero, Maryscott.

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:31:28 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Palin is still breast feeding????? (6.50 / 2)

that's what just heard on tv.I'd have to see it to believe it. I'm sorry but I think she lied to cover up her daughter's pregnancy. either the daughter really isn't pregnant now or she immediately got pregnant again. the water breaking and racing around the country to get to some backwoods hospital is just too bizarre. but actually it's no more bizarre than all the shit we've been through the past 8 years. the memo that Al Queda was going to attack was ignored, allowing 9-11 to happen. the failed war in Afghanistan and Bin Laden still loose. invading Iraq for no reason. phone companies listening to us. a spy being outed. oil companies profiting. halliburton. blackwater.death and destruction in the name of freedom and peace. after all this and more they think we are so FUCKING STUPID that we will believe ANYTHING. ANY FUCKING THING. actually this little Palin- Jerry Springer moment is just mild compared to what we've already been through. I'm telling you people SOMEBODY BETTER BE CHECKING OUT THOSE VOTING MACHINES.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:20:02 PM CDT

add to the list... (6.00 / 3)

...the sudden and politically expedient "accident" causing the timely demise of Paul Wellstone.

Let's not forget that one.

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:34:08 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Maybe she will pull out her tit and... (3.88 / 8)

breast feed the little baby and prove for once and for all that it's her kid. or would that be against her conservative values? did that make you vomit in your mouth? come on...just a little?

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:23:16 PM CDT

Here ya go, Sadie (6.50 / 4)

You earned that 1 fair and square.

Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:26:01 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

thanks (6.00 / 3)

I knew I would get one.
I don't even have to try really.
I'm so repulsed at this point.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:27:50 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

is anybody actually watching this fucking train wreck? (6.00 / 1)

I can't. I want to hear what she says but if I don't stay up that late, I'm sure it will be all over the internet tomorrow. but I can't watch any of the rest of it....pack of lying rabid dogs. let them dig their graves. I've puked in my mouth too much lately.  

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:26:29 PM CDT

A blogger on HuffPo (6.00 / 2)

likened the RNC crowd to a group of people auditioning for "Cocoon."

After reading some excerpts of her speech, I'm thinking I might burst a blood vessel if I watch the whole thing.

Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:35:04 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

my husband listens to Bubba all the time at work... (2.00 / 1)

Bubba says that it is the daughter's kid and that she drank the whole time she was pregnant. he said there are pictures all over the internet. maybe it's really fetal alcohol syndrome. similiar to Downs. who was it that said maybe Palin isn't the best mother and role model? Jools? come on Maryscott, it's all relevant. they call themselves the family values party. they set themselves up for this shit. if you have a closet full of shit, you just don't run for public office. not in this country in either party. poor old dumb clinton just got a bj and look at the pounding he got.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:34:56 PM CDT

Bubba (7.00 / 2)

I didn't kow old Bill Clinton had a Radio show now!

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:45:36 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

silly scientist (7.00 / 1)

bubba the love sponge.
the obnoxious guy on Sirius from Florida. what a mouth.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:49:17 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Somehow (7.00 / 1)

they meld (or melt) together in my mind.

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:27:06 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

yes... (0.00 / 0)

I can understand that.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:28:52 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

No, Trig is definitely Down's (6.00 / 1)

I've seen enough of them to know. FAS looks different.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:01:54 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

look at the pounding we gave John Edwards. (0.00 / 0)

we even eat our own.
politics is a dirty game.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:36:36 PM CDT

I pounded the hell out of hillary clinton too. (0.00 / 0)

but if you say anything about Palin you are a sexist. what a whiner.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:39:54 PM CDT

Sadie (7.25 / 4)

I saw the title of your comment, and I thought it was Paul in SF.


DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:44:07 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

which one? (6.00 / 1)

pounding hillary?

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:56:40 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Yes, Sadie (6.50 / 2)

after all, he's THE HEBREW HAMMER!!

I'm sure Karmafish or Shifanrak or Jar Jar will post the graphic again, eventually.  

DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:59:27 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

you mean.... (8.00 / 2)

he literally pounded her?
I meant verbally.
well, the old girl probably loved it.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:01:38 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Heh -- someone sent me my horoscope: (1.00 / 2)

Taurus Information
for April 29

You should embrace:
Liberality, ethics, being spontaneous

You should avoid:
Irrationality, gossip, childish behavior

In other news -- do you think these words are sticking in Carly Fiorina's throat like McCain's salty semen or WHAT?

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:41:43 PM CDT

Oops -- (7.00 / 1)

Looks like I fucked up on the "What to avoid" part, like, TOTALLY.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:42:20 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

theres no way to avoid it (7.00 / 3)

it's in the air.
embrace it. don't avoid it.
relish and revel in it.
I am.
I've never been happier with any Repug party than I am right now. they are rocking my world.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:48:32 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

More on that horoscope... SPOOOOOOKY (10.00 / 1)

A Taurus born on April 29 is concerned with how they are perceived by others. This is because of a high level of sensitivity; they literally "feel" the approval or disapproval of those around them. Part of their problem is the inability to appreciate their own best character traits.

Sheesh -- coulda told you that without the chart.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:43:38 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I appreciate your best traits... (10.00 / 2)

even if you always don't.
you added that throwing up in your mouth rating. it doesn't take much to make me happy.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:51:20 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

McCain's salty semen? (7.00 / 2)

girl, you really took it to the limit. whew! some of the vomit squeezed out between my lips that time. ugh.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:46:26 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

the repug party... (1.00 / 2)

a 72 year old on viagra with salty semen and a 44 year old woman fake nursing her own grandson.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:49:52 PM CDT

in case any of you don't know or are wondering what my fucking problem is.... (6.00 / 2)

I am an alcoholic in recovery for 12 years. sometimes I go on sugar binges and vomit up a little in my mouth in the middle of the night. I wrote about it a long, long time ago. I would have to search to find the link. way back. that's why I am so excited about the rating.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:53:55 PM CDT

You too??? (9.00 / 1)

What's your sobriety date?

MSOC <---  11/22/96

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:56:10 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I thought you knew that. (9.50 / 2)

7-20-1996

I told you we are related.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:58:15 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

horoscope for Aries... (7.25 / 4)

shut the fuck up today.
you are not nearly as funny as you seem to think you are.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:55:16 PM CDT

gotta go (8.00 / 3)

I'll probably be back. I really want to see if I can stomach her little speech. I hope I got you all whipped up into a vomiting frenzy.

Sadie Yates
RIP
2003-2008

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by: Sadie Yates @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:00:07 PM CDT

NEWS FLASH! SUN NOW RISES IN WEST! (9.00 / 2)

Mitt Romney says so, and I believe him. He can't lie he's a Mormon.

Okay, this show if fucking hilarious. It's way funnier than the Dem Convention. Like having Carly Fiorina speak. Nothing like having the exec who nearly sunk HP talk about business challenges and how women can be movers and shakers. I especially liked the part where she talked earnestly about the economic challenges of American workers. Yeah, it's pretty tough for all the little people who don't get to float gently to the ground on golden parachutes. Here's a new slogan for the Republican Party: "Failing Ever Upward."  

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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by: Curmudgette @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:12:23 PM CDT

Did Romney mention (7.00 / 1)

which of the American Indian tribes was one of the lost tribes of Israel.

'Cuz if he did, we can go out and get them foookin' Zionists!!!

DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:16:14 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Huckleberry said (8.50 / 2)

McCame bought him a school desk bombing Hanoi.

And that Barack was a fine negro but not the right negro.

I submit that, ultimately, a Negro bought his desk, and McCain fought the wrong war....

"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

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by: durrati @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:34:36 PM CDT

ah, yes, the intrepid Levi's Johnson (7.00 / 2)

makes his debut....

I hear Cheney took hin dove huntin' and the coif is from Guantanamo...

"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

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by: durrati @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 20:57:07 PM CDT

Poor Giuli (7.00 / 4)

If he'd played his cards right, he coulda been the first Repub woman to run for V.P.

"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

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by: durrati @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:12:03 PM CDT

actually, Giuli (0.00 / 0)

the A-4 Skyhawk was not a fighter but a bomber, you lying piece of shit...

from wiki

The Skyhawk was designed by Douglas' Ed Heinemann in response to a US Navy call for a jet-powered attack aircraft to replace the A-1 Skyraider. Heinemann opted for a design that would minimize size, weight and complexity. The result was an aircraft that weighed only half of the Navy's specification and had a wing so compact that it did not need to be folded for carrier stowage. The diminutive Skyhawk soon received the nicknames "Scooter", "Kiddiecar", "Bantam Bomber", "Tinker Toy Bomber", and, on account of its nimble performance, "Heinemann's Hot-Rod".

"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

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by: durrati @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:19:01 PM CDT

Yet another Palin scandal surfaces (7.25 / 4)

What is this, number 759, and we're only five days in?

The irony of the latest accusation is pretty rich, though.

John McCain's presidential campaign is threatening a lawsuit against the National Enquirer over a print edition story the tabloid ran today alleging that Gov. Sarah Palin has had an extramarital affair with her husband's business partner.

I repeat my statement from over the weekend: We're living in The Truman Show with Aaron Sorkin as scriptwriter.

I'd love to make some popcorn and watch DKos explode, but I've got more interesting things to do, like floss my teeth.

Insert witty quote here.

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by: puzzled @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:19:19 PM CDT

Who the fuck (7.00 / 1)

advises people about public statements?

Kwame Kilpatrick's lawyer today said...

That plea deal has not been consummated," Thomas said after the hearing, which Kilpatrick was not required to attend.

Consumatted?

Was that the best choice of words considering the reasons for the plea agreement in the first place?

Jeebus!!

DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:21:13 PM CDT

Harry Truman (6.00 / 3)

is fucking spinning in his grave about now.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:33:05 PM CDT

And this broad (7.38 / 8)

is every snide little fucking Queen Bee who made people's lives miserable in high school and grade school.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:36:19 PM CDT

OK, it doesn't really matter (6.00 / 1)

what she is saying.

She isn't a dynamic speaker.

I think that Konopelli has it wrong.

The broomstick (or plunger) that she might bring to the table.....is firmly stuck up her butt!

And that voice is going to drive me nuts for the next 2 months.

It reminds me of the "clenched-teeth Bryn Mawr" description that some author I read once used (W.E.B. Griffin?).

I notice she didn't mention that she broke the Oil Companies stranglehold by engaging a Canadian company.

How American is that?

Fookin' Canadiens.  She was probably trying to sell out Alaska to become their next province.

Sorry...I was channeling DKOS.

DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:45:01 PM CDT

And she trotted out the BS about the bridge (6.00 / 3)

She wasn't against it until the money from Stevens' earmark was quashed. Then she said "no thanks"  to it.

Ketchikan, I hear, is still pissed.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:48:33 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Gotta disagree, DA -- she gives good speech. (5.00 / 2)

And she can deliver a great line when she's given one.

With practice, she'll be a GREAT speech-giver.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:04:31 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I dunno (6.00 / 2)

I don't think learning on the job in two months is enought to push them over.

I'm really surprised.

I thought she'd be a rock star.

She's more like....Barry Manilow!

DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:19:42 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Wrong (4.00 / 1)

got to go with Maryscott on this one.  She gave a speech that clearly was entirely suited toher cadence.  (Hewrs seems to be longer than normal.)  She likes to build a line, let it die a little, and then pile drive it home.  In the second half of the speech, she was not able to do that, and she started stepping on applause lines.  (And applause.)

But there were two immediate indications that it was a great speech..  First, Olberman couldn't wait more than a second to diminish it.  he was in a panic.

Second, and this gives some indication of how much of a rabbit she is (that means quick learner).  A person in the Alaska delegation said that it was the best speech she ever gave.  Remember, she has been a candidate for four days, and worked with this team for less than that.

And one more significant thing you might cling to:  she wavered and lost her balance while winding through Georgia, the pipeline, Russia, blackmailing Europe with energy, terrorists attacking Saudi Arabia, Iran cutting off a fifth of the world's oik at the straits of Hormuz, and the oild produced there in Venezuela, before catching herself just before she fell out of bounds and running home with the north bank of Alaska.  It means that they have a way to go on "the World."

And a pit bull like her is going to be a challenge for a softie like Obama, and a tactical problem even for Biden.

And i must say that i expected the people here to do all that is possible to paint the speech in the worse light, but  quick roll down shows that people here are in a real panic.

Maybe it was better than I thought!


"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:47:36 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I agree with the tactical (4.00 / 1)

problem for Biden.

But "pit bull" might also be a fair description of Hillary, and Sen. Obama did pretty well against her.

I guess we shal see.

DA is The Most Interesting Man in the World. - Karmafish

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by: devilishadvocate @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:42:05 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

"Clean coal" (6.00 / 2)

requires more energy input than it produces...especially if you're using coal from PA or WV, which tends to be high-sulfur bituminous.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:50:54 PM CDT

herself's son deploys 9/11 (6.00 / 1)

how convenient...

"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

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by: durrati @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:52:01 PM CDT

Like hell (7.50 / 2)

"Our candidate doesn't run with the Washington herd."

90% voting with what Bush wants?  

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:53:43 PM CDT

She's only governor, I swear (5.75 / 4)

because Alaskans would have voted for Satan himself to get rid of Frank Murchowski.

And her getting rid of the plane is the reason she's governing from Anchorage, not the state capital of Juneau. You cannot drive to Juneau, unless you take a ferry.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:56:34 PM CDT

Is it my imagination (4.75 / 4)

or have I heard better speeches from people runnign for student council?

Why are all those Republicans practically wetting themselves over her speech?

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 21:58:10 PM CDT

C'mon, mirrim, it's because it's the convention. (6.00 / 3)

They'd furiously applaud a pastrami sandwich if it was on the ticket, as would the Dems.

And if one you swine herders tell me that you like mayo on pastrami there will be hell to pay!




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:44:04 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

And did I catch Cindy (5.00 / 4)

holding Trig early in her speech?

My, my. Isn't that touching?

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:00:18 PM CDT

Well, shit. She ROCKED that house. (6.00 / 4)

She was shrill, parts of it were absolute shit, she OBVISOULY didn't write it...

But she can deliver a speech like no Republican I've seen in YEARS. I understand why they picked her now.

She's still TOTALLY unqualified to be Vice-President, let alone President -- but she fucking KICKED ASS.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

I totally resent those Republican motherfuckers for their utterly predictable mockery... called THAT in my sleep, the laughter, the jeering -- assholery, total douchebaggery.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:03:19 PM CDT

Agreed. (5.80 / 5)

Unbearable dialect and stooopid talking points aside, she gave a great performance. She threw the red meat to the base and she really whipped up the crowd. Best speech of the convention, so far. I'm gonna call it. It'll be the best speech of the convention, period.  

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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by: Curmudgette @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:13:38 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

they're hollow people (6.60 / 5)

All they have to offer is mockery and bullying.

They're loathsome.  Always have been.

Watching Giuliani and that other fuck, what's-his-face from MN, Coleman, and others, I felt like I was back in the 1980s.

They're some of the most odious people you'll ever want to see.

I feel like I need a bath.

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:19:25 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I am not nearly so masochistic. (6.00 / 1)

I simply refused to watch, weeps.




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:45:34 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

You did wisely, good Karm (nt) (6.00 / 1)

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:50:26 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

My my (2.33 / 3)

:Lah-ti-dah!

got some fine Paris scents for that bath?

I must have mistakenly wandered into the nose in the air club.

A thousand pardons, sir.

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:51:18 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

you're funny, and I take your point... (4.00 / 1)

...but why "nose in the air club?"

Don't you get that I'm afraid?

Don't you get that I see a giant lynch mob?

Can you not respect that?

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:13:12 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

No, Weeping. (4.50 / 2)

He cannot respect that.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:13:47 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Let me just ask calmly (3.00 / 1)

why did you have to leap in with the worst interpretation you could come up with?

Did it ever occur to you that I didn't see "fear of a lynching" in negative political statements about Republicans?


"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:29:45 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I know how you feel, I think. (5.00 / 1)

Different, yet the same.




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:22:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

No weeping (6.00 / 1)

I didn't recognize that.

I don't see it, so you have to tell me.

sorry bout that.

My guess is that Sarah Barracuda is not going to lynch you.

Nor anyone else in that hall.

I don't know what to say.  I'm sorry.


"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:23:08 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

thank you, Madsci (7.00 / 3)

I'm not talking about a one-to-one correspondence, of course, just that U-S-A! U-S-A! may, I think, be fairly described as a xenophobic war chant.

Not that everyone's conscious of that, of course, but by genre, that's what it is.

I'm not at all sure about anyone else in that hall, under the right circumstances.

Not the least bit sure.

People do brutal things in the thrall of mass hysteria targeted against scapegoats.

As an "eastern elitist" and a negro and a million other things, I know my role in this drama, should it ever (once again) come to that.

I mean, Palin herself mocked Obama for "worrying if someone read" these terrorists their rights.

I see a crowd of people who are driven by xenophobia (by which I simply mean fear of the other, whether they be fellow citizens or nor) and loaded for bear.

Why do you think the notion of real Americans and less than real Americans resonates so deeply?

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:38:41 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Stupid people love to be lied to. (6.00 / 1)

Simple lies are far easier to listen to than complex truths.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:42:30 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

fine, whatever... (6.00 / 1)

...but then shouldn't the lies at least be noble and uplifting?

Why must they be so ugly?

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:46:14 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Nothing motivates like an enemy. (0.00 / 0)

Anger and hatred are terrific political motivators.

Polarization works.

And, yeah, it's disgusting.





Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:01:20 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

plus... (9.00 / 3)

...if they won't lynch me, it's only because big government won't let them.

The same big government they're all too eager to get off their backs, chafing as they are under its yoke of servitude to welfare queens, faggots, Mexicans and the UN.

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:45:00 PM CDT

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Me, they'll burn at the stake (6.00 / 4)

For heresy, whether they go by my current religion or my original one.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)

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by: mirrim @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:09:11 AM CDT

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I think (7.00 / 3)

of my two natures in moments like this.  What I find is that I fucking dig MSOC for her brutal truth and I dug Mrs. Palin for taking her moment and owning it.  I dig them both, equally.  This is an internecine war but, on all sides, the other person would probably die to save your life.  

So despair, fear, rejoice.  They use to kill people for doing what you're doing and doing what she did.  This is our American battle.

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by: PHIL. I. STINE @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:38:52 PM CDT

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I wonder. (6.00 / 4)

When I saw them JEERING at people like me in that place, Phil...

I really wonder whether they WOULD die to save me. I know I'd probably die to save them, if it came to it.

I wonder, would the douchebag who EGGED MY FUCKING CAR (and BROKE the steering wheel, by the way, with the AMOUNT of egg he used -- that will cost me I don't-know-HOW-much) -- would THAT douchebag DIE to save me???

But I take your meaning about the rest of it.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:44:30 PM CDT

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Yeah, I read that (9.00 / 1)

I would kick that motherfucker's ass if I saw him do it.

Would you enjoy watching me do it is an interesting question?

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by: PHIL. I. STINE @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:51:16 PM CDT

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Phil, I'd have a hard time deciding... (11.00 / 1)

Whether I'd want you to do the holding him down while I did the ass kickage...

Or just be satisfied to be the one holding him down while YOU did the ass kickage.

What, you thought I was some sort of fuckin' PACIFIST?

That'd be Weeping. The soft-spoken tall cute one over there with the lovely avatar.

I'm no fuckin' pacifist. The only thing keeping me from kicking the motherfucker's ass is not knowing who the fuck he IS.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:55:58 PM CDT

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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! (10.00 / 1)

You are the fucking best.  I should've know, forgive me.

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by: PHIL. I. STINE @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:22:46 PM CDT

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You know what I find sickening (6.00 / 3)

is the all the labeling of liberals as other. They're still doing it. I'd have thought it had gotten old by now. I'd have thought they'd have seen through the ridiculousness of turning a segment of the American public into the enemy. Nope. And I sure as heard no equal to that kind of rhetoric at the Dem Convention. They went after issues and individual politicians. They didn't mock people as conservatives or rednecks or knuckle-dragging morons. God knows that happens on this board, but professional politicians and party heavyweights do it, live, on camera, there's something just deeply disturbing about it.  

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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by: Curmudgette @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:07:09 PM CDT

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But, Curm, don't we do it, too? (0.00 / 0)

I think that we are less prone on the national level than they are toward demonization, but on the grassroots/netroots conservatives and Republicans (and lord knows, "Zionists"... whatever those are, exactly) are completely demonized.




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:09:53 PM CDT

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Yeah, but... (7.67 / 3)

WE'RE right.

: )

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:11:06 PM CDT

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Oh, in the blogosphere, etc? (6.00 / 3)

Absolutely. Some of this shit turns my stomach. But, to their credit, the Dem Party doesn't really cultivate the hate stuff. The Republican Party does. Purple heart band-aids, for Christ's sake. I'll never get over that. But, you saw how quickly Obama disavowed the assault on Sarah Palin's family. It's just a very different tone.  

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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by: Curmudgette @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:13:36 PM CDT

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I understand. (6.25 / 4)

But I think people are getting a tad overwrought.

The polls are in our favor.  Palin is unqualified.  Barack has the charisma, intelligence, and savvy.

Let them spit their bile.  The same garbage that we got in 2000 and 2004.  Culture wars.  All this crap about Troop-Hating, Body-Piercing, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-reading, whateverthefuck.

It's just soooo 2004.

I think the country is well into moving on.




Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:20:00 PM CDT

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Yeah (7.00 / 2)

let 'em spit some bile.

It's their turn.

Wait.  All that Palin bile seems to be out of turn!

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 23:24:55 PM CDT

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the Republicans are going to win (3.80 / 5)

I'll keep my fingers crossed, of course, but as my father so aptly put it, "I just don't have a lot of faith in the American People."

After watching the show tonight, I'm pretty convinced they'll pull it out/steal it yet again.

Hell, even I like this Palin person.  All she needed to do was be likable and authentic and she was more than likable, she was downright magnetic.

That's the ballgame.

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

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by: weeping for brunnhilde @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 22:15:27 PM CDT