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But...what if the whole BARREL is rotten? The fruits of usury.

by: Arthur Gilroy

Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:00:14 AM PDT



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Jeff Huber recently posted another one of his fine articles regarding the total incompetence of American leadership.

Let Them Eat Sand

In that piece, he wrote the following:

Now, it's virtually impossible for another 9/11 to happen; some of those sorry slobs are doing their jobs for a change because they know they'll lose them if another 9/11 happens.

This got me to thinking, and I began a reply that turned into a stand-alone piece.

Here it is.


Arthur Gilroy :: But...what if the whole BARREL is rotten? The fruits of usury.

Jeff...you write:

Now, it's virtually impossible for another 9/11 to happen; some of those sorry slobs are doing their jobs for a change because they know they'll lose them if another 9/11 happens.

I think that you are wrong here.

Not only is it not impossible for another 9/11 to happen...we are in the middle of one right now.

Think on it.

The actual 9/11 attack was at the very least a direct result of the incompetence of American security forces. You could quite possibly take that idea a step further and say that it was allowed to happen because of the dishonesty of those forces, and go even another step and say that the compliance of at least some of the people in charge was also involved.


Now look at the economic meltdown...an occurrence that is in many ways threatens to be a much more serious disaster than 9/11, although certainly neither so dramatic nor newsbite/photo op-worthy as was the picture of massive structures...the American empire's version of the Sphinx and the Pyramids...toppling to the ground in billowing black smoke and flames, complete with film of panicked white collar worker/beneficiaries of the kleptocracy/house slaves of the pharaohs running for their heavily mortgaged lives and truly courageous working class firemen and policemen confronting almost certain death in an attempt to save total strangers.

This economic breakdown?

It also stems from events piloted by Islamic opponents of this system; it is direct result of the incompetence of American economic security forces; it was allowed to happen because of the dishonesty of those forces, and you could also take that next step on this level and say that the compliance of at least some of the people in charge was also involved.

It's 9/11 all over again, Jeff.

Only bigger.

As above, so below.

All wars that progress beyond emotionally-based conflicts between individuals or perhaps families are economic at root. You and your neighbor might have a beef over something personal, but by the time it escalates into even the crudest of gang conflicts, it is ALL about economics. Once things start to get organized past the "I'm 'a gonna KILL that motherfucker!" stage, once you need weapons and soldiers it's got to be about monetary or property-based profit and loss in order to be able to organize the effort.

I am by no means a Muslim, but a good case could be made that the Islamic proscription against usury might be an idea whose time has come for the ex-Christian Western world as well.

Not that Barack Hussein Obama can possibly even hint at such an idea while running for the office of President of the United States while in possession of (Or should it be "While possessed by?") bulging coffers of usury-based big money that is supporting his increasingly successful campaign, but (Hint hint. Mr. B., from Mr. AG) the largely faith-based Islamic system (YOU know...the one that doesn't say totally false things like "Small businesses will fail if they cannot access (usury-based) loans.") has now successfully kicked the asses of not just one but both of the major superpowers of the post-W.W. II era. First the weaker one...just for practice, it seems to me...and then the real 500 lb. elephant in the room.
The United States of Omertica.

Kicked their asses economically.

As you say...it's not really about the oil that lies under the ground in the Middle East. That's just a fact, Jack. It's just about the relatively easy money that the kleptocracy has been able to manage to extort from that oil.

And it is not apparently about the wealth of the Islamic world, either. I mean...add it up.

Add up say the combined GNPs of the U.S., Japan, Western Europe and Russia. Then look at the GNPs of the Islamic countries.

Hmmmmmm...if this was a spending war, the Islamic world would already be toast.


But it is an economic war.

A war about economic philosophy.

A third way done snuck up on the two-dimensional, "TASTES GREAT!!!/LESS CALORIES!!!" squabble between the Western European-based capitalist/communist economic dialectic and it has beaten both of them.

Is it truly faith-based, this movement?

I am not qualified to weigh in on that idea.

The day a Supreme Deity (or a qualified representative of His/Her/Its organization) actually speaks to me in my own little cave regarding the relative rightness or wrongness of any sect will be the day that I come out for or against any particular religion.

Until then, I will just have to continue to observe events on a level that I understand.

The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.-Martin Luther King Jr.

Referring to JFK's assassination as having been in retaliation for the many attempts on Fidel Castro's life..."He never foresaw that the chickens would come home to roost so soon."-Malcolm X

You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury.-Osama bin Laden


Open your eyes and see the fate of Pharaoh. ... Open your eyes and see what happened to the Portuguese Empire. See the final fate of the British Empire. ... I am telling you [major powers], if you do not abandon the path of falsehood and return to the path of justice, your doomed destiny will be annihilation, misfortune and abjectness.-Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

OH yes. These ideas I understand.

Up close and personal.

This system is rotted through.

Top to bottom.

I understand that as well, because due to my odd position as a traveling performing artist whose audience runs the gamut from the monetary elite of the North/South/Central/Caribbean America, Europe, Africa and Asia to the plodding middle classes of the U.S. and right on through to the poorest of poor people living in the ghettos of this world, I get to see all of the shit. With the possible exception of the newest members of American society...the Central American/Caribbean culture that is relatively new here (and also still relatively isolated by language and racism) and some part of the youth of this country (Those who have not yet bought into the game.)...pretty much the whole American barrel is full of rotten apples.

We are going to have to experience a culling, Jeff. There is no way around it. If Obama is wise...and lucky as well...it will be a gradual and relatively peaceful culling. A sea change.

If he is not?

Ahmadinejad is quite correct.

Misfortune this way comes.

It is often said that one rotten apple can spoil a whole barrel.

What we must look for here is the reverse of that idea. A few not yet rotted apples are going to have to try to cure the whole goddamned barrel.

Let us pray.

Let us pray to the moral universe the arc of which MLK Jr. so meaningfully referenced.

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We gonna need some he'p here, brethren an' sistren!

Let me hear an "AMEN!!!"

Let me hear about 65 or 70 million "Amens" in a couple of weeks and we might just have a shot at making it through.

Otherwise...fuggedaboudit!!!

That cobbled-up apple cobbler is jes' gonna have to wait.

As Islamic as apple pie?

Fuggedaboudit!!!

Later...

AG


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Tips? Recs? Applesauce? (11.00 / 1)

"You are the apple of my eye" wrote Stevie Wonder.

And he was blind!

How much more blind are we if we do not realize that we are involved in a systemic failure and then do something about it!!!???

Band-Aids ain't gonna do it.

Not this time.

Word, Barack.

Gotta do it up, New Deal-style.

Only bigger.

Let's see it happen.

Please.

It looks like it is going to be on you.

Don't middle-road yourself out of contention.

You could be a contendah, man.

Don't settle for being a contractor.

Please.

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


This isn't "another" 9-11 (6.00 / 2)


This is PART of 9-11.

It's what they WANTED to happen. It is the stated GOAL of bin Laden and al Qaeda -- to bring down the United States' financial system.

It's as plain as day: THE TERRORISTS WON.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


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If the system had not been rotted through, none of this would have happened. (6.00 / 1)

The real "terrorists?

Bush, Cheney, people like Ken Lay and almost the whole lot of the rest of the big-time money hustlers.

This is just the reckoning.

The sins?

They go back a LONG ways.

Bet on it.

Fucking golf club-wielding terrorists.

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The worst kind of all.

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


[ Parent ]
The fire in the world trade center took time to bring those buildings down. (9.00 / 1)

The economic fire of a wasteful war has catalyzed the toppling of this credit crazed economy.
Think how satisfied Osama Bin Laden is, watching this unfold and knowing that his handiwork is a big part of it.
I heard an economist on CNBC today remark that 85% of Americans are at the point of bankruptcy.
Another proposed 15 years till the light of day.
Our need for oil and our panic at the decline of its availability has caused us to compromise our values.
Maybe it will take an economic ice age to bring us to our senses.
I wonder if we will descend into anarchy or pull together for a better world.
I see the Right wing hoping for anarchy, terrified that the left will rob them blind and take away their freedoms.  
And yes they do cling to guns and religion, huddled in a corner with a sawed off shotgun muttering "Just you and me God".
No illusions here that the left won't make mistakes but at least it will be a team effort.

Truth speaks only to the open mind.

[ Parent ]
I havent been here in a while, AG. (0.00 / 0)
Outstanding commentary in this essay.  I think we have not been attacked again because the first one worked so good for the administration they have been completely successful in getting what they wanted.  Now they are stealing the money from our wallets, and most hope they do by supporting the bail out of the very people who put us in this mess.

I got out of the stock market two years ago and into a bank savings accounts because I thought this economy was headed for the cliff then.  I don't think corporate America has made an honest dollar
at least since 1986.

At least half of the people I know who are rather financially secure do NOT invest in the stock market and have used savings accounts for years.  Once again, I think we were oversold investing those 402k and the beneficiaries of that were the oligarchs who have benefited again from our ignorance of high-flying finance.

Cheers.  Have an 11.  

Vigilance is the price of freedom. That means us citizens, and not our professional military or its industrial complex bleeding us for every dollar they waste protecting corporate hegemony. That is part of what weakens citizens and puts us in danger.


Proscriptions agaist usury (0.00 / 0)
I am by no means a Muslim, but a good case could be made that the Islamic proscription against usury might be an idea whose time has come for the ex-Christian Western world as well.

The Islamic proscription traces back to the Old Testament proscription on usury.  That one is lodged somwhere between "men laying with men", bans on eating shellfish, and obligations of men to sleep with their brother's widow.

In addition, there is an obligation to celebrate a jubilee year every 50 years or so.  In that year all debts are forgiven.

I think we are overdue for a worldwide jubilee year.  Just press the reset button on the economy.

Want a third party -- 50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts -- Go get 'em


It's as old as the hills, Tarheel. (7.00 / 1)

The potential...no, the absolute guarantee...for abuse is SO plain in the whole usury idea.

Duh.

AG

P.S. The other shit? To each his own.

I'm partial to shellfish, myself.

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


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Another 9/11 angle of "My Pet Goat" (9.00 / 1)
It has already been suggested that they let it happen. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

Bush sat there for seven minutes, and this was after he heard about the second plane. Before then, and behind the scenes, you had NORAD, NAEDS ( North American Emergency Defense Service ) and the air traffic controllers concerned about FOUR commercial jets going off course at the same time. And the usual directive of scrambling jets. Well to do this they needed to make a phone call, in which they did, and found nobody home.

In short they needed leadership and found none.

They have made a big deal about the 3am phone call. It is needed to remind the nations citizens that the men in charge right now couldn't be bothered by a phone call at 9am.

This is not good. "My Pet Goat" is the metaphor of what didn't happen that day, leadership actually doing its, as Bush is so fond of saying, "job".  




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