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Cash for Clunkers Program !!!!

by: Kathleen

Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 12:31:21 PM PDT



You still have a chance to take advantage of this!

Act fast!!!

I am so happy they have voted to put in 2 more billion for this program.  The first 1 billion was zipped through in one week!!!

It does 3 thing....

gets gas hogs off the road

rewards people who drive old cars, with insurance

stimulates the economy

We have always driven old cars and my husband maintains them.  It has been our choice to save money by not having car payments but we have longed for a more fuel efficient car.  Last Saturday we traded our old Mazda Van for a Toyota Yaris!  Getting $4,500 of your tax payer dollars to do it.  Finally money to people not banks, 0 down with 0 financing for 5 year loan, offered by Toyota!!!

Out with the old.....
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Kathleen :: Cash for Clunkers Program !!!!

new
You can see our rust bucket Toyota truck (too old for the program) next to it that we have built 2 house using.

Here are the details of the program...
The best way to buy a car is through Costco, you pay the amount as if you were buying a fleet of cars. You go to a dealer who has a Costco manager on hand, he handles the deal.  The deal Costco has with Toyota on this car was dealer pricing.  Another words we got this car for what the dealer paid for it.  Easy no haggle, show your Costco card and they show you the price.
More info here: http://www.costcoauto.com/ente...  
The only drawback is you have to buy what is available you can't pre-order and wait for the car, so it is a matter of finding a car that already exist at a dealership that you can live with.   We wanted a 5 speed, simple basic, in white,  they had a red and a green/gray.  We picked the red.  

The new 2009 Yaris has side airbags added and we love Toyotas, look at the dang truck it is still running!!!  Toyota deserves the money, because they have been willing to look into the needs of the future and design their cars accordingly, too bad the American designed cars are playing catch up and by the way bail me out because of my stupidity.  Not to mention who was it that blamed unions for their failure?

We got the max..... $4,500 !!!

Now to cash for clunkers.....

Finally a way to help people (instead of banks) and the economy AND the environment!!

The program requires for you to have owned the car(clunker) at least a year with insurance on it.  
This I love because it helps people who are responsible but can't afford a new car that gets better gas mileage.   Helps to get the gas hogs off the road.
There was a cut off year so the car wasn't too old (another words old in close to death anyway).

Here are the rules it seems well thought out:

Cars and trucks must be 1984 models or newer to be eligible for a trade-in rebate. They must get 18 miles per gallon or less in combined highway/city rating - based on the "Estimated New EPA MPG" ratings available at http://www.fueleconomy.gov. The vehicle needs to be drivable, insured and licensed for at least a year - so forget about buying a clunker this summer for $500 and "flipping" it through the program. Violators face penalties if they submit false information.

For passenger cars, consumers can get $3,500 if the new vehicle gets at least 4 mpg more than the trade-in and $4,500 if the new vehicle gets at least 10 mpg more than the trade-in. For sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks or minivans, owners can get a $3,500 rebate if the new vehicle gets at least 2 mpg higher than the old vehicle. The rebate improves to $4,500 if the new vehicle gets at least 5 mpg higher than the trade-in. Large work trucks weighing at least 6,000 pounds can also qualify for rebates of $3,500 to $4,500.

This won't subsidize a new Ferrari. The new vehicle needs to meet the fuel-efficiency requirements and have a manufacturer's suggested retail price of less than $45,000. It can be a domestic or foreign model. Used car purchases are not allowed under the program.

You cannot get the clunker rebate plus the value of my trade-in.

When an old car or truck is worth more than $4,500. Should not use this program. The program essentially guarantees a minimum trade-in for a vehicle. So someone with an old beater valued at $1,000 that meets the mileage requirements stands to gain the most. Any prospective buyer with an old car worth more than $4,500 should probably trade it in for a new one. But many automakers and dealerships are offering additional incentives, so it's worth talking to your dealer.

The trade-in vehicle will be scrapped. Dealers are required to use a government-approved salvage facility for the vehicle disposal. Vehicles need to be shredded or crushed within six months.
To participate go to your local car dealer. Dealer registration for the program began last friday. Owners need to bring their vehicle, title, proof of registration and proof of insurance.

Dealers must use the rebate in addition to - instead of as a substitute for - other rebates and discounts available to consumers. Many automakers are combining internal incentives with the government rebates to lure customers to showrooms. For example, Chrysler is offering $4,500 in cash toward the purchase of a new vehicle. Dealers are also required to disclose the best estimate of the salvage value of each vehicle.

No incentive money changes hands.  If a consumer qualifies for a government rebate, the amount of the rebate is deducted from the vehicle's sticker price and the dealer is later reimbursed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Wisely some lawmakers, led by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., have said if Congress provides more funding, the program should require consumers to buy vehicles with higher fuel-efficiency than the current program's requirements.
More information:
Visit the government's CARS Web site http://www.cars.gov/ or call the government hot line at (866) CAR-7891. Auto companies and Web sites such as Edmunds.com http://www.edmunds.com/cash-fo... Kelley Blue Book http://www.kbb.com/kbb/cash-fo... and AutoTrader.com http://www.autotrader.com/cash... have compiled additional details and eligible vehicle lists for consumers.


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deposit your clunkers (10.60 / 5)
here.....

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  

I'm liking (0.00 / 0)
the use of that brown mulch in the landscaping.  Is that your driveway or a Cul De Sac?

[ Parent ]
LOL Phil (0.00 / 0)
It is our driveway.  All yard waste here is recycled and is reused as mulch to keep the weeds down, it also compost down nicely and replenishes the earth. I have shoveled 44 yards of it into my beds this spring after I pulled out all the ivy, morning glories and blackberries.  When it rains it looks almost black, it makes all the plants just pop out.

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  

[ Parent ]
So (0.00 / 0)
You can get the Mulch for free at some place in town?


[ Parent ]
No they pick up the yard waste up (5.00 / 1)
for free, providing the big containers on wheels.  As much as you put out each week they will take.  

You have to buy it the mulch, this way the program pays for itself.  I had 40 yards delivered and then went and got the rest a yard at a time in my little truck.  It cost $18 dollars a yard to pick up a yard at a time and it was $18 a yard for the 40 yards delivered.  If I had had less delivered say 20 yards it would have cost me more per yard.

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  


[ Parent ]
They threw in a dog too! (7.25 / 4)
But you're stuck with the same husband, I see. Cash for clunkers? I think not!

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

[ Parent ]
Adam and I did it. (10.33 / 6)


Mind you, we were FORCED into it; the fucking Exploder died. I mean, we had to have it TOWED around the corner from the dealership, then JUMPSTARTED so we could DRIVE it up in front of the salesman so he could SEE us driving it (the trade-in has to be DRIVEN in, don't ya know). We DID tell him it has to be jump started to drive... no liars, we. But the fucking thing won't drive more than half a block without giving off sparks and bursting into flames. THAT, we didn't tell. Which is fine, because the dealership was going to drive it straight onto a truck to be driven to a lot to be broken up and sold for parts. So there.

Anyhoo. We HAD to fucking do this deal, despite having NO fucking money for a new goddamned car... So we get the $4500 for the Exploder... and $3500 factory to dealer incentive for the Kia Spectra... and another $500 for belonging to Adam's credit union. All told, it's $8500 down payment on this thing. Not fucking bad. And after all our travails, lo these many years, our credit has gone GOOD again, and our bank gave us an extra 1 and 1/2 % coupon for good behaviour -- so we got 6.29% financing.

Who knew.

And our insurance payment went DOWN what with all the bells and whistles on this fucking car.

< shrug >

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


Awesome Maryscott (9.00 / 1)
I bet it feels good to have a reliable car!

One thing I didn't think they were allow to part it out.  I know they kill the engine and it is scrapped.

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  


[ Parent ]
aclunkle (0.00 / 0)
a 1987 mazda 323 gets average 27/mi./gal.

o well.

I did get $500 for an undriveable 79 rabbit sometime in the late 90's.


Wait a minute (6.00 / 1)
1987 qualifies and recheck that mileage, you could qualify for the $3500 at 4 MPG improvement and there are at least 3 cars I see that you could get the full $4,500.....

Honda Civic Hybrid

Toyota Prius

and

Toyota Prius Hybrid

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  


[ Parent ]
we did, too (9.40 / 5)
My son had a 1996 Cadillac Deville he bought for $4000 cash three years ago.  It made it from Florida to Michigan (and back!) and served as his daily driver for a year, and back-up car since he was able to obtain reliable transportation.

He signed the title over to us a couple of months ago, but we never transferred it, hoping that this program would come to be.  Meanwhile, the car sat in our backyard, fully insured.

It barely qualified for the program (under the old mileage standards, it got 20, new standards revised it to the magic 18).

After some serious shopping, we settled on a car, and drove off the lot last Friday with a brand spankin' new Toyota Corolla, which will be driven by our other son's girlfriend.  (we're a complicated bunch)

My right-wing FIL was pissing and moaning about the government wasting money on this, until my husband pointed out that not only will this help us buy less oil from those eeevviiil ay-rabs, but even if many of the cars purchased are not American (and we found very, very few American cars that would qualify and give us the full $ amount), all those people working at the Toyota, Honda and Kia dealers are Americans, and increased sales will help keep them off unemployment, and put spending money in their pockets.

The sales tax money collected will also help the states, struggling with budget woes, and financing the vehicles will help those poor beleaguered bankers (sniff).

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Hey Puzzled! (6.00 / 3)
Way to go!!!!

Also a lot of these cars are made in the US.  

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  


[ Parent ]
We have two Hondas (3.33 / 3)
One was made in Ohio, the other in Alabama.

My biggest problem isn't I can't re-fi my house.  I bought it at the very top of the bubble, we're under water about 10 percent but can't get approval, even though we've always paid on time.

Hope the market comes back while rates are still low.


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Hang on Phil (0.00 / 0)
Have you tried for a 15 year fixed?  Maybe they would approve that. We have always gotten the best rate with a 15 year fixed and found the payment isn't that much higher.

It is coming back, as soon as banks start doing better they will loosen up.

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  


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It appears (0.00 / 0)
the housing market may be bottoming, but with so much inventory, I don't know how quickly prices will rebound.

Of course, housing markets have great regional variabiity.  I hope your area rebounds quickly so you're able to refinance before rates go up.

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I apologize for going off topic here (7.00 / 3)
but only one part of the housing market may be bottoming. Sales (both new and existing) are either at or close to the bottom. New construction also appears to be at or near the bottom. I suspect neither will have anything but very gradual rebounds. Sales and new construction are keys to recovery. Historically, bottoming of new construction has coincided almost exactly with the end of recessions. (As has new jobless claims, which also appear to be topping out.)  I don't think that will happen this time. The end of the recession will trail the bottoming of new construction by 2 quarters or more.  

But prices are not bottoming. The lower end of many markets may have hit bottom, may even be looking at very small (seasonal only) rebounds. Middle and upper tiers in most markets have not. Nationally, they will continue to fall through at least the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2010, very possibly beyond. (A full year beyond would not surprise me.) There is simply too much distressed product on the market creating additional downward pressure for prices to stabalize.

As you said, there will be some regional, even neighborhood variability.  

to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance .  G. Washington


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In that regard Kane (0.00 / 0)
I live in North Jersey, in a fairly affluent area. Short commute to NYC.  There's almost no additional land to build on, so the supply/demand is more fixed.  That may be why while values diminished but a max of 10 to 15 percent.  Do you think an area like that may tend to correct itself faster or is that 10 to 15 the correction and values will only slowly go up over many years?

[ Parent ]
in my original comment (6.00 / 1)
I deleted a line about your location, because I didn't want to presume anything, or write more than you wished to disclose.  

I assumed from things you have written that you live within commuting distance of NYC, and I believe that will work in your favor.  

If you lived in Detroit, or owned a condo in Miami, your prospects would obviously be much bleaker.  The old real estate saw "location, location, location" holds true even in a recession.

Kane, as usual, has a lot of good information.  Not happy information, but good to know.

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[ Parent ]
Location, location, location (6.00 / 1)
is on old canard that I don't think is necessarily valid with regards to changes in the market. High priced areas will remain high priced areas. Low priced areas will remain low priced areas. But the percent changes that both experience (within regions) will remain similar. When the dust settles around 2013, more desirable neighbohoods that sold for double the neighborhoods across town in 2002 will, more likely than not, still be double. With very minor exception, I doubt there will be very many neighborhoods that are immune from declines equal to their recent gains.

 

to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance .  G. Washington


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Yes (7.50 / 2)
to at least one of your questions.

As I said, everything is subject to regional and neighborhood variations.  New Jersey isn't one of the half a dozen or so markets I follow, but drawing from those that I do:

NYC is going nowhere but down. Similarly, its affluent (price wise anyway) and no more land.  

The neighborhood I live in is also affluent but by no means wealthy, and the decline started well after other parts of the county, but has now started in earnest. 15% since the 1st of the year. That drops coincides with distressed properties hitting the market. Google maps has a cool new advanced search tool. You can plug in your zip code, hit real estate on the advanced search pull down menu, filter by foreclosures, and you can see notices of default and foreclosures in your neighborhood. (it's not perfect, sometimes a bit out of date.) Distressed inventory is what really drives down prices. They started showing up in my neighborhood early last winter.

From the New York Fed beige book this week:

Housing markets remained soft throughout most of the District, though there were signs of stabilization in a number of areas. Contacts in northern New Jersey indicate that the market has a somewhat more positive tone than in recent months: prices, though still down about 15 percent over the year, appear to have stabilized somewhat and volume has picked up moderately.

That sounds positive. But I would discount any upticks in prices to seasonal variations unless they survive the summer. Which is why I can't get all that excited about the new CS report.

Ultimately, I suspect there will be many more regions that give back 100% of post 2003 gains than retain them. There are some really depressed areas that are back to mid 90's prices.

As to your particular neighborhood, one of the things I would look at is turnover from 2003 to 2007. How many new owners are there? The more there are, the more the neighborhood is at risk. Caveat to that, it's not definitive. Quite a few stable, but keep up with the joneses neighborhoods, where homeowners used their homes as ATM's are just as much at risk as high turnover neighborhoods.

I suspect there's a regional blog that follows the market there closely. Though filtering out the crazies are just as problematic as it is on political blogs.  

to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance .  G. Washington


[ Parent ]
Love the google forclosure map (9.00 / 1)
I look at the market here in the Seattle/Tacoma area everyday to watch the price changes and check volumes.

Zillow.com was the only way I could find the forecloses without paying for it.

The president of John L Scott lives next door to me so I use their site mostly. John L Scott is one of the best real-estate companies in the NW.  There site is well designed full of info, shows all the listings, but it doesn't give me the foreclosures.

Prices here around the lake are still the same but they aren't moving.  Normally properties don't even make it on the market or when they do their are instant offers.  Now we have 4 that are just sitting.

Neighborhoods around us have dropped in price 10 to 20%.

It is a matter of life and death, see the documentary Food INC and vote no to corporate take over of our food every time you buy groceries  


[ Parent ]
Thanks (0.00 / 0)
Most of the people in my area who purchased their homes in the late 80's onto about 2000 saw a HUGE increase in equity.  Sometimes double.  It was in line with the increases in the NYC Metro area.

Most of them missed the boat.  They held on to the equity with dreams of getting more bang for their buck moving West for a bigger house.  Then the Market Crashed and many put up For Sale Signs in hopes of cashing in.  

They haven't sold.  The comps have come lower or they took it off the market.

It's starting to pick up again.  The "good news" still is that we're talking about 10 to 15 percent decreases in comps for sales over the past two years.  Very few foreclosures.


[ Parent ]
McCain plans to block the program (0.00 / 0)
The House voted last week to authorize an additional $2 Billion for this program, which has succeeded beyone anyone's expectations.

The party of No, led by elderly curmudgeon John McCain, plans to block efforts in the Senate to pass a companion bill.

This thing should be a Republican's wet dream.  It's not a handout from the government coffers, like say the GWB administration's "stimulus" checks, which did nothing to stimulate the economy.  No, this program requires consumers, who they keep telling us, make up 70% of this sagging economy, to put up their own money to take advantage of the government largesse.

They also completely ignore the other benefits of the program--more fuel efficient cars on the road mean less dependence on foreign oil, and last I heard, that one was a biggie for Republicans.

Even transparent Republican shill Maria Bartiromo, who obtusely conflated drug company R and D with insurance company profits while interviewing Howard Dean, pointed to this as a perfect example of how government should be acting to stimulate the economy.

But I guess the Republican strategy of doing everything it can to cause the Obama Administration to fail is enough to get them to jettison whatever principles they may have once held.

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