Pregnancy is Illegal in the Army Now

Imagine. (9.50 / 4)

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 13:59:49 PM CST

TERRIFIC little discussion (11.00 / 1)

happening on my Facebook page per this topic:

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--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 14:04:39 PM CST

So (0.00 / 1)

This war zone policy makes no sense to you whatsoever?  this sounds more like a command decision rather than a matter of legality.  Sort of like doing anything that would undermine the integrity of the unit and endanger other soldiers.

I think you would have similar difficulty if you showed up for the battle drunk.

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 18:58:53 PM CST

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So you never served in the USA military... Learn HERE. (0.00 / 0)

     So you need to know about the "integrity" of a "unit" and "readiness"

    The integrity of a military unit describes how well it fights as a unified team.

    "Readiness" describes the ability of any given unit to fight effectively as a team.

    (Am I going too fast for you?)

    Unlike YOU, I humped a ruck, and got shot at, and happily laughed it off with the maniacal glee of someone too young or too stoopid to know better.

    Such is youth.

    Had there been a parent, or potential parent rotated out of my unit, to a man, my unit would have been thrilled at the prospect that one of ours was having a baby.

    And that baby would have had a plethora of serious fighters as godfathers.

    Sure, that would have meant that my unit would take on another NFG, but that was just business as usual.

    I was the NFG until I was replaced with the next NFG.

    You have an ignorant arguement about troops who are too drunk to fight degrading readiness, and had you ever been patriotic enough to serve your country, you would have known that the USA military EXPECTS a certain number of drunks in ANY unit, and plans accordingly.

    And guess what- The USA military isn't just advanced enough to plan for drunks and parents, the USA military is also able to plan for cowardly "keyboard commandos" like YOU too afraid to get off your dead, lazy ass long enough to even just fucking Google the USA Constitution  before you make a cowardly fool of your fat, lazy cowardly ass.

    Complete fucking ignorant pussies like you who had the chance to serve the USA, but refused to do so because it might interfere with your fingernail art job, I tolerate scum like you just because I swore an oath to defend the USA Constitution  which means that no matter how much  I WANT to send lazy cowards like you to prison, I gotta follow the law.

    That DOESN'T mean I can't foreward your treasonous anti-USA ass elsewhere.

    Fuck off or die you cowardly pussy.  

     

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by: Vacuum @ Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 03:30:38 AM CST

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Let me speak to the vacuum head (7.00 / 1)

I'm not defending the policy.  I'm offering the justifications I read.

thing is, you don't know shit about me. Yeah, I didn't serve.  During Vietnam, I was in ROTC, where i was =slated to be an artillery FO.  But I didn't pass the physical going into senior year.  Then i was drafted, but flunked that physical as well.  Asshole.

So, I admire your service, and that of many of my friends, some of which didn't make it, and some of which were scarred for life.  Most didn't think service was an excuse to be an asshole.

Now please, enlighten me, Comrade.  what does any of this have to do with the Constitution.  Please, since you make yourself out to be a Constitutional scholar, help one so unintelligent as I by citing the relevant passages.

I'll just note that the order was reviewed by JAGs, but that the military laws scholar from Harvard thinks it has problems.

The charge of treason is very serious.  If you weren't playing coward behind a keyboard, perhaps I'd give you an opportunity to defend the charge in court.  Asshole.

(Note that i can be as much of an asshole as you are, but it just doesn't come naturally to me, as it seems to to you.)

btw, back when my dad served, you just didn't show up to battle drunk without consequences.  I guess you are charting the deterioration of the military since he served.

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 05:06:23 AM CST

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Since the Hyde Amendment, I think women (6.00 / 1)

cannot get abortion services provided in military facilities.

"I'll hire half the working class to kill off the other half."-- Jay Gould, robber-baron  

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by: konopelli @ Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 17:09:13 PM CST

Perverted and disgusting don't even begin to describe it! (9.00 / 2)

     First and foremost, as a USA military Vet, I find that so revolting that I want ALL of those moronic pointy heads responsible for that policy on as many sticks as is required.

    Back when I served, in ANY given unit (no matter what the size or structure), the brass at the top knew almost exactly how many people would get sick or injured, how many would go AWOL, how many would be sleeping it off in the brig- you name it.

    Back then, the brass simply planned for it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me, it looks like some dumb brass asshole wants to control reproduction for some military troops, and is doing so under the bullshit guise of readiness.

    The vast majority of USA troops are near or under 25 years old, and will be working hard to reproduce no matter what.

    Women have been serving in the USA military long enough for the USA military to know almost exactly how many of them will become pregnant, and the USA military also knows how to plan for that.

    Likely bible-thumping fuckwad Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo III says no sex without his permission?

    Had I met that anti-human, anti-women, anti-USA constitution piece of shit in the field back when I served, I can say with great pride that I would have fragged his moronic, treasonous ass.

    Perverts like him have no place in setting USA military policy.

     

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by: Vacuum @ Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 02:11:48 AM CST

Oddly, vacuum (0.00 / 0)

I had a different experience when i was under 25.

My daughter is under 25.  she and all of her friends and acquaintances are working very hard NOT to reproduce.

Likely bible-thumping fuckwad Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo III says no sex without his permission?

Perhaps it has escaped your notice, but it is now possible to engage in sexual activity without reproducing.

in fact, today i saw an ex JAG lawyer saying that when he was deployed, they actually did try to restrict sex because they thought a policy like this one had problems.  So, instead of making it about pregnancy, they simply restricted time and place in which sex was permissible to make it as close to impossible as possible.  he thought that preferable.  Do you?

The ex-soldier that was one the same CNN show said she could see the concerns on both sides, but said that when she was deployed it was understood that you could be punished for causing any change in your medical condition that would lessen your ability to carry out your mission.  (In my dad's day, shooting yourself in the foot was the common way to do this.)  She mentioned that it was well known that getting a severe sunburn could lead to discipline!

btw, you seem to value service in the armed forces very highly.  the General has 30 years service with multiple deployments.

"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." -Voltaire
Ah, my dear Voltaire, doubt is an acquired and cultivated taste, like Laphroaig Whisky or fine truffles, and quite as exquisite.

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by: Madscientist @ Tue Dec 22, 2009 at 06:01:57 AM CST

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No court martial for pregnant soldiers. (5.50 / 2)

The general seems to have reappraised the situation.

"I see absolutely no circumstance where I would punish a female soldier by court martial for a violation ... none," Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo III wrote to ABC News in an exclusive statement. " I fully intend to handle these cases through lesser disciplinary action."

Cucolo triggered debate, some of it angry, when his Nov. 4 policy forbidding pregnancy among his soldiers became public recently. His policy statement said violation of the rule could be punishable by court martial, and that it would also apply to the men who get female soldiers pregnant, even if the couple is married.

FWIW, my husband's take was that these "offenses" were unlikely to ever go to a court martial, because the policy wouldn't survive one. He suspects there were JAG officers just chomping at the bit for a chance to defend against these charges. He said these cases were more likely to be dealt with at an admin level. It would seem the good general has come to the same conclusions.  

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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by: Curmudgette @ Tue Dec 22, 2009 at 12:13:41 PM CST

Pregnancy ban general publicly pantsed. (6.00 / 1)

Gen. Raymond Odierno has drafted a broad new policy for the U.S. forces in Iraq that will take effect Jan. 1, and that order will not include a controversial pregnancy provision that one of his subordinate commanders enacted last month, according to the U.S. military command in Iraq.

Odierno's order comes about a week after the pregnancy policy issued by Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo triggered a storm of criticism. Cucolo had issued a policy that would allow soldiers who become pregnant and their sexual partners to be punished.

Sucks to be General Cucolo.

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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by: Curmudgette @ Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 21:43:55 PM CST